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Bush & Roh have testy exchange

 
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I-am-me



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:11 am    Post subject: Bush & Roh have testy exchange Reply with quote

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"There was clearly something lost in translation," National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe said in a rushed e-mail to reporters


This a good reason why a president of a nation should learn English! And why the president of Korea should learn history when talking about ending the ceasefire with N. Korea.

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And despite Roh's challenge for Bush to make a declaration to end the war, the war was not between the United States and the North but between the North and the United Nations
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Typhoon



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And why the president of Korea should learn history when talking about ending the ceasefire with N. Korea.


He knows his history. Korean schools have been teaching that the war was started by the US, prolonged by the US and the Korean pennisula was divided by the US for a long time now.

The idea that North Korea started the war, the UN stopped them from taking over the South and the Chinese interfered and made sure the pennisula was divided is blasphemous.

Roh is great example of Koreans. Very Happy
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Alyallen



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A testes transplant??

I don't know which one need a new pair more: Bushie or Roh....
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Bailsibub



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Roh was hoping that Bushie would have one of his moments, slip up, and say something wrong. But he 'misunderestimated' or boy.

I only wish Bushie hadn't been so polite to the little bugger....
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

George Bush spoke quite well in the conference. He said basically that the United States does want good relations with North Korea and also a peace treaty. Essentially, if North Korea complies with certain things, they will get rewarded. The South Korean leader was making it seem, verbally, that the United States was in the way of peace. You never know what is really going on between politicians. We do know that both South and the US do want to get closer to North Korea. The U.S. is willing to let go of hostility vis-a-vis North Korea and have more rapprochment if Kim Jung Il decides to show he is serious about making certain changes. Again, we never know if Bush was simply completely surprised or not. Things can sometimes be staged in politics just like in wrestling. I don't take the exchange too seriously.
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stevemcgarrett



Joined: 24 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Typhoon wrote:

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He knows his history. Korean schools have been teaching that the war was started by the US, prolonged by the US and the Korean pennisula was divided by the US for a long time now.


I'm doubting the veracity of your claim, but do you have a link to site in English that exposes this distortion?

What I found interesting is that Roh laughed. We all know that Asians sometimes laugh when nervous, or when confronted with a delicate situation that might result in a loss of face. But I wonder if the Western press or American diplomats there took it that way or felt he was being insincere, mischievous, or otherwise acting inappropriately for the occasion?
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Optimus Prime



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Bush & Roh have testy exchange Reply with quote

I-am-me wrote:
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"There was clearly something lost in translation," National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe said in a rushed e-mail to reporters


This a good reason why a president of a nation should learn English! And why the president of Korea should learn history when talking about ending the ceasefire with N. Korea.

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And despite Roh's challenge for Bush to make a declaration to end the war, the war was not between the United States and the North but between the North and the United Nations


Seriously. Koreans risking an international incident because they can only speak Korean...how Korean...

If I was running for the Korean Presidency, I would make the video of this misunderstanding my campaign strategy, just showing this video over and over. That is...if the guys running can speak English...

What is it about Koreans that cause them to embarrass themselves so frequently internationally? Internationally, Korea is like the weird guy at a party.
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Typhoon



Joined: 29 May 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm doubting the veracity of your claim, but do you have a link to site in English that exposes this distortion?


Pick up any textbook from elementary school grade 6-high school year 3. Talk to any student (who hasn't studied overseas) about the Korean War and the division of Korea. Ask them some questions...you will find that their history is really distorted. My wife (sorry no link to her) was taught that the division of Korea was due to the Americans and the North Koreans were provoked into invading by the Americans. I don't have a link that provides information from textbooks (just what I have seen in the social studies books), but if you really want to see proof it is easy enough. Go to a school pick up a book and read...if you can't read Korean there are picture in most that help to illustrate.

Furthermore, the texts in social studies here are filled with half truths. It is not like Canada where the texts just omit things that are unfavorable (for example battle in Berlin, Ontario during WWI), the Korean texts down right lie about what happened in Korean and world history. Again, no link just from what I know and have seen. Take a look at one, they are very interesting. It also explains alot about Korea when you see what they have studied.
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stevemcgarrett



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Typhoon:

A correction is in order:

I meant to say that I'm NOT doubting the veracity of your claim...

I'll try to lay my hands on one of these books. Ironic, isn't it, how Koreans still have the nerve to criticize the Japanese for trying to whitewash their involvement in WWII.
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contrarian



Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK

PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Typhoon sure as heck is living in a different Sk than I have been in for 7.5 years. The Koreans except for the lefty Roh typs know waht in heck its all about.

The GNP conservatives are going to win the next election. Their attitude is totally differeny
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Typhoon



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As my father-in-law is part of the GNP I would have to say not all Koreans are clueless about history, but my point is that the school system here fills people's minds with garbage and a lot of young people have an innaccurate view of what happened during the Korean War. Talk to kids and see what they know. I know my 7 years here have shown me that the school curriculum is very sympathetic to the North and their version of the Korean War. I am not sure what curriculum you have been looking at, but it most not be from the public school system.

This is why Roh was able to win the last election and this is why he is planning a summit with the North. The North has had a lot of bad publicity in the South over the past year and a half and it is tough to preach that "the Northerns are our brothers" when they have nukes and other nasties pointing at the South.

Maybe this is why he pushed Bush about the North this past week? It could be a setup to a promise for "direct peace talks" following the summit, which leads to a great wave of sympathy for the North, and the defeat of the hardline GNP in the next election. We will have to wait and see.
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contrarian



Joined: 20 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The leftist parties are dead in this electio. Maybe next time.
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Typhoon



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope so. I am just worried that Lee will have a lot of skeletons in his closet that are going to bite him on the butt as the election draws near. You know CEOs of Hyundai tend to lie, cheat, and do some pretty illegal things. I can only hope you are right that the left is dead in this election.
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contrarian



Joined: 20 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's OK, if he self destructs General Parks daughter woul make a good president. She is old line conservative.
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Typhoon



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree...she would make an excellent president. Too bad she wasn't the choice of the party.
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