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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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 Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:42 pm Post subject: Ron Paul Wins Maryland Straw Poll |
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Nice spin here on the headline.
Gotta love the corporate media.
McCain Places 5th In Maryland Straw Poll -- Paul Wins
The Business Journal of Phoenix - 1:25 PM MST Wednesday, September 5, 2007
by Mike SunnucksThe Business Journal
Arizona Sen. John McCain finished fifth in a 2008 presidential straw poll held by the Maryland Republican Party.
Libertarian-leaning, anti-war Texas Congressman Ron Paul was the top candidate in the 11-day straw poll. Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani was second in the poll, which asked Republicans to name their choice for 2008 presidential nomination. Former Senator and actor Fred Thompson was third and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney came in fourth.
McCain picked up 54 votes in the straw poll versus 263 for Paul and 230 for Giuliani.
A number of campaign signs supportive of Paul's underdog effort have popped up in across the Phoenix area.
McCain has seen his poll numbers dip in key states and nationally. The Arizona Republican has run into trouble with moderates over his support for the Iraq War and with conservatives on immigration and campaign finance issues.
http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2007/09/03/daily17.html
Ron Paul Speech (08/31/2007)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5kv31MYKus&mode=related&search |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Ron Paul voted against every plan for alternative energy. |
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Harpeau
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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Joo, you're a broken record. You already stated that. Paul basically wants the Federal gov. to have a hands off approach on most of society.
I think Paul has a good shot of winning this. BTW IGTG what is the spin that you're talking about? Just wondering. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Igotthisguitar is a paper-hanger. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Harpeau wrote: |
Joo, you're a broken record. You already stated that. Paul basically wants the Federal gov. to have a hands off approach on most of society.
I think Paul has a good shot of winning this. BTW IGTG what is the spin that you're talking about? Just wondering. |
Is it a good idea for the government not to fund alternative energy?
Is it a good idea to not only not increase the gas tax but to do away with it?
You answer.
He has a good shot of winning you say. Ok I will give you 25- 1 odds.
You wanna take it? |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank you for coming, Ron Paul. Question number 1: does Al-Qaeda fight for the Caliphate? |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
| Thank you for coming, Ron Paul. Question number 1: does Al-Qaeda fight for the Caliphate? |
Mithridates gets some teeth. Always entertaining, if rare.
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Harpeau wrote: |
Joo, you're a broken record. You already stated that. Paul basically wants the Federal gov. to have a hands off approach on most of society.
I think Paul has a good shot of winning this. BTW IGTG what is the spin that you're talking about? Just wondering. |
Is it a good idea for the government not to fund alternative energy?
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Paul's position is that this will work itself out better in the market than by regulation. Quit lying about this. And, yes, it is a lie to imply what is not true. Your sloganeering intends to make Paul look like an opponent of alternative energy, which is 100% false. He is one of the few who recognizes that the Iraq war was about control of resources and strongly advocates getting off oil. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| i will make a wager with anyone who thinks ron paul will win. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Harpeau wrote: |
| I think Paul has a good shot of winning this. BTW IGTG what is the spin that you're talking about? |
How about: Paul Wins Maryland (McCain Finishes Fifth)?
Instead the paper hangers chose to downplay his endorsement  |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 1:13 am Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
| Thank you for coming, Ron Paul. Question number 1: does Al-Qaeda fight for the Caliphate? |
I love that question.
I wonder how some liberals have decided to support RP despite the fact that he doesn't support government research on alternative energy.
I guess you are more against the war by the US than you are in favor of government support for alternative energy. And steps by the government to lower fuel consumption by consumers.
Which is interesting because no action by the US to force the enemy to quit their war - no advanced weapons , no patriot act and no alternative energy will leave the US almost at the mercy of the Al Qaedists , the Bathists and the Khomeni followers.
I mean there isn't a lot left the US can do.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 1:18 am Post subject: |
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| keane wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Harpeau wrote: |
Joo, you're a broken record. You already stated that. Paul basically wants the Federal gov. to have a hands off approach on most of society.
I think Paul has a good shot of winning this. BTW IGTG what is the spin that you're talking about? Just wondering. |
Is it a good idea for the government not to fund alternative energy?
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Paul's position is that this will work itself out better in the market than by regulation. Quit lying about this. And, yes, it is a lie to imply what is not true. Your sloganeering intends to make Paul look like an opponent of alternative energy, which is 100% false. He is one of the few who recognizes that the Iraq war was about control of resources and strongly advocates getting off oil. |
You say he advocates getting off oil?
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Congressman Ron Paul (R - TX)
Ron Paul has the least favorable position on alternative energy. He believes the American economy will continue to depend on oil in the foreseeable future. He is putting alternative energy on the back burner, and instead focusing on increasing the number of domestic refineries. Just recently, he voted Yes for the Refinery Permit Process Schedule Act.
Paul has opposed every bill supporting alternative energy investment:
� Voted NO for the Clean Energy Act of 2007 - To reduce our Nation's dependency on foreign oil by investing in clean, renewable, and alternative energy resources, promoting new emerging energy technologies, developing greater efficiency, and creating a Strategic Energy Efficiency and Renewable Reserve to invest in alternative energy (01/18/2007)
Ron Paul 08 05 2007
� Voted NO for the Energy Policy Act of 2005 � To develop an energy policy that addresses tax incentives, conservation strategies, regulatory standards, research and development programs, energy efficiency, and alternative sources of energy (07/28/2005)
� Voted NO for the Energy Omnibus bill - To enhance energy conservation and research and development, to provide for security and diversity in the energy supply for the American people (06/15/2004)
� Voted NO for the Securing America's Future Energy [SAFE] Act of 2001 - To enhance energy conservation, research and development and to provide for security and diversity in the energy supply for the American people (08/02/2001)
The problem is that Ron Paul has a tendency to vote against proposals for government spending, initiatives, and/or taxes. Could any progress be made in the alternative energy field without any of the three?
It would be extremely difficult for such a candidate to lead us towards energy independence if he is unwilling to invest in a cleaner future.
Anyone disagree? |
http://seekingalpha.com/article/34879-ranking-the-candidates-alt-energy-support-congressman-ron-paul
and the war was not about controlling oil it was about forcing Bathists , Khomeni followers and Al Qaedists quit their war against the US.
Now YOU quit lying.
Shame on Ron Paul. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 1:19 am Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| i will make a wager with anyone who thinks ron paul will win. |
I got first tabs on that wager. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 1:44 am Post subject: |
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ut let me back track to Ron Pauls Congressional record.
Ron PaPauls Voting Record
* Ron Paul voted against the Intelligence Authorization Act but it passed anyway. This Bill authorizes the appropriations for fiscal year 2008 for intelligence and intelligence-related activities of the United States Government.
I guess Ron Paul thinks we do not need Intelligence to keep track of our enemies.
* Ron Paul voted against the Agriculture Disaster Assistance Appropriations Act.
I guess he thinks the Farmers are on their own.
* Ron Paul voted� FOR the �Cut-N-Run� Bill that the Democrats tried to push on the President.
I�m smelling a Liberal trying to be a Conservative here
* Ron Paul voted against the Student Loan Sunshine Act. (he is 1 of only 3 Congressmen to vote against it) This law establishes requirements for Lenders and Institutions. It�s aim is to protect Students and other borrowers receiving educational assistance.
I�m sure he has a good excuse on that one�after all�he�s suppose to be �Pro Education�
* Ron Paul� was a NO VOTE� for the Improving Head Start Act. This Bill would improve the Head Start Program. I don�t know why he didn�t vote either for or against this Bill. After all, that�s what he�s in Washington for. Most of the time when a Politician doesn�t vote for a Bill, they�re either not where they should be (in the House) or they�re afraid of their constituents actions if they Vote they way they want, not their consituents. So they end up not voting at all and hoping no one notices.
� I have no idea what Ron Paul has against the Head Start program, you�ll have to ask him.
* Ron Paul voted Against the Wild Horse Protection Act. This Bill would restore the prohibition on the Commercial sale and slaughter of Wild free-roaming Horses and Burros.
Maybe Ron enjoys a hot juicy horse steak once in a while?
* Ron Paul was a NO VOTE on the Water Resources Developement Act. This Bill provides for the conservation and development of water and related resources and to authorize the Secretary of the Army to construct various projects for improvements to rivers and harbors of the United States.
I guess Ron is against clean water and flood control?
* Ron Paul� was a NO VOTE� the Advanced Fuels Infrastructure Research & Developement Act. This Bill facilitates the development of markets for alternative fuels and Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel fuel through research, development, and demonstration and data collection
So much for decreasing our dependence on foreign oil.
* Ron Paul voted NO on the Creating Long-Term Energy Alternatives for the Nation Act. This Bill reduces our Nation�s dependency on foreign oil by investing in clean, renewable, and alternative energy resources, promoting new emerging energy technologies, developing greater efficiency, and creating a Strategic Energy Efficiency and Renewables Reserve to invest in alternative energy.
Another NO for alternative energy research� hunh Paul?
http://www.dirtfromtexas.com/ron-paul-who-is-ron-paul-and-what-is-he-smoking/ |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 1:56 am Post subject: |
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Ron Paul votes against everything he feels is not directly permitted by the constitution. Barney Frank, my other favorite American Pol has said that Paul is among the most easy people to work with for this reason. Paul has his principles and he sticks with them.
Joo, read up on what libertarians believe and why. You are missing some big chunks here. |
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