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Alyallen

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:58 pm Post subject: Researchers say many languages are dying |
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Researchers say many languages are dying
By RANDOLPH E. SCHMID, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - When every known speaker of the language Amurdag gets together, there's still no one to talk to. Native Australian Charlie Mungulda is the only person alive known to speak that language, one of thousands around the world on the brink of extinction. From rural Australia to Siberia to Oklahoma, languages that embody the history and traditions of people are dying, researchers said Tuesday.
While there are an estimated 7,000 languages spoken around the world today, one of them dies out about every two weeks, according to linguistic experts struggling to save at least some of them.
Five hotspots where languages are most endangered were listed Tuesday in a briefing by the Living Tongues Institute for Endangered Languages and the National Geographic Society.
In addition to northern Australia, eastern Siberia and Oklahoma and the U.S. Southwest, many native languages are endangered in South America � Ecuador, Colombia, Peru, Brazil and Bolivia � as well as the area including British Columbia, and the states of Washington and Oregon.
Losing languages means losing knowledge, says K. David Harrison, an assistant professor of linguistics at Swarthmore College.
"When we lose a language, we lose centuries of human thinking about time, seasons, sea creatures, reindeer, edible flowers, mathematics, landscapes, myths, music, the unknown and the everyday."
As many as half of the current languages have never been written down, he estimated.
That means, if the last speaker of many of these vanished tomorrow, the language would be lost because there is no dictionary, no literature, no text of any kind, he said.
Harrison is associate director of the Living Tongues Institute based in Salem, Ore. He and institute director Gregory D.S. Anderson analyzed the top regions for disappearing languages.
Anderson said languages become endangered when a community decides that its language is an impediment. The children may be first to do this, he explained, realizing that other more widely spoken languages are more useful.
The key to getting a language revitalized, he said, is getting a new generation of speakers. He said the institute worked with local communities and tries to help by developing teaching materials and by recording the endangered language.
Harrison said that the 83 most widely spoken languages account for about 80 percent of the world's population while the 3,500 smallest languages account for just 0.2 percent of the world's people. Languages are more endangered than plant and animal species, he said.
The hot spots listed at Tuesday's briefing:
� Northern Australia, 153 languages. The researchers said aboriginal Australia holds some of the world's most endangered languages, in part because aboriginal groups splintered during conflicts with white settlers. Researchers have documented such small language communities as the three known speakers of Magati Ke, the three Yawuru speakers and the lone speaker of Amurdag.
� Central South America including Ecuador, Colombia, Peru, Brazil and Bolivia � 113 languages. The area has extremely high diversity, very little documentation and several immediate threats. Small and socially less-valued indigenous languages are being knocked out by Spanish or more dominant indigenous languages in most of the region, and by Portuguese in Brazil.
� Northwest Pacific Plateau, including British Columbia in Canada and the states of Washington and Oregon in the U.S., 54 languages. Every language in the American part of this hotspot is endangered or moribund, meaning the youngest speaker is over age 60. An extremely endangered language, with just one speaker, is Siletz Dee-ni, the last of 27 languages once spoken on the Siletz reservation in Oregon.
� Eastern Siberian Russia, China, Japan � 23 languages. Government policies in the region have forced speakers of minority languages to use the national and regional languages and, as a result, some have only a few elderly speakers.
� Oklahoma, Texas and New Mexico � 40 languages. Oklahoma has one of the highest densities of indigenous languages in the United States. A moribund language of the area is Yuchi, which may be unrelated to any other language in the world. As of 2005, only five elderly members of the Yuchi tribe were fluent.
The research is funded by the Australian government, U.S. National Science Foundation, National Geographic Society and grants from foundations.
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On the Net:
http://www.languagehotspots.org
http://www.livingtongues.org
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/enduringvoices
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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The effect of Babel is coming to a conclusive end? |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Natural selection. Some arent strong enough to survive. Not really anything to cry about. |
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nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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jinju wrote: |
Natural selection. Some arent strong enough to survive. Not really anything to cry about. |
Now that shows a lot of ignorance..
These age old languages and cultures contain far superior knowledge of local environment and resources. Australian aboriginal languages for example have songs which describe the landscape intimately, mapping out every hidden water source and shelter. A superior being who speaks just English and is lost in the outback..would'nt survive.Sorry to say, jinju. you need a local language that is suited for local conditions. |
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LuckyNomad
Joined: 28 May 2007
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:13 am Post subject: |
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Languages aren't seperate entities. Language is like a tree with many branches that have many smaller branches, which have leaves.
Preserving languages simply to preserve them is silly. Most languages have no writing system and it is therefore almost impossible to learn them unless you're going to spend several years living with the people or person who speaks it.
Imagine what mankind would be like if everybody on earth could completely understand each other. I think it would be much better than having tens of thousands of different languages. Information would be spread faster and innovation would occure much quicker.
And languages don't always simply die out. Look at Latin. Is it dead? Not really. It lives in French, Spanish, Romanian, Italian, English and others. Eventually the English that we know will morph into something else, much like Old English became Middle English and that became modern English. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:11 am Post subject: |
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In matters of preservation (deciding on which ones to give the most support to) languages should be looked at as families rather than separate languages. Technically Norwegian and Swedish are separate languages, but if Swedish was to 'die' and be replaced by Norwegian it would be much less a tragedy than if Basque were to die out, for example. Oh no, now we say jeg er instead of jag �r, what a tragedy.
There was an example of a discovery made by scientists last year that one type of butterfly was actually ten or so separate species and they never knew. Turns out though that in the native language in the area each one of the butterfly types had a separate name, so they could have saved themselves a lot of research by just asking them. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:19 am Post subject: |
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On second thought, however, keeping related languages alive is invaluable for reconstructing already extinct languages. Reconstructing Vulgar Latin would be almost impossible if there weren't so many Romance languages about. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:24 am Post subject: |
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LuckyNomad wrote: |
Most languages have no writing system and it is therefore almost impossible to learn them unless you're going to spend several years living with the people or person who speaks it. |
Or you could use the IPA for recording notes.
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Look at Latin. Is it dead? Not really. It lives in French, Spanish, Romanian, Italian, English and others. |
English is not a Romance language.
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:14 am Post subject: |
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Mithridates, you are just about the most intersting person I have ever had the pleasure to come across on this virtual wasteland of interesting information. |
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LuckyNomad
Joined: 28 May 2007
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:41 am Post subject: |
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CentralCali wrote: |
LuckyNomad wrote: |
Most languages have no writing system and it is therefore almost impossible to learn them unless you're going to spend several years living with the people or person who speaks it. |
Or you could used the IPA for recording notes.
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Look at Latin. Is it dead? Not really. It lives in French, Spanish, Romanian, Italian, English and others. |
English is not a Romance language. |
I know that, but a huge portion of the vocabulary comes from Latin. Thus, Latin survives in English. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:50 am Post subject: |
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LuckyNomad wrote: |
CentralCali wrote: |
LuckyNomad wrote: |
Most languages have no writing system and it is therefore almost impossible to learn them unless you're going to spend several years living with the people or person who speaks it. |
Or you could used the IPA for recording notes.
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Look at Latin. Is it dead? Not really. It lives in French, Spanish, Romanian, Italian, English and others. |
English is not a Romance language. |
I know that, but a huge portion of the vocabulary comes from Latin. Thus, Latin survives in English. |
Yep - here's an introduction to atomic theory written in English purged of all the Latin and French words:
(dedicated to riverboy, since he thinks my posts are interesting)
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Here is Poul Anderson's essay "Uncleftish Beholding" ("Atomic
Theory"), reprinted from the revised edition appearing in his
collection _All One Universe_.
For most of its being, mankind did not know what things are made
of, but could only guess. With the growth of worldken, we began
to learn, and today we have a beholding of stuff and work that
watching bears out, both in the workstead and in daily life.
The underlying kinds of stuff are the *firststuffs*, which link
together in sundry ways to give rise to the rest. Formerly we
knew of ninety-two firststuffs, from waterstuff, the lightest and
barest, to ymirstuff, the heaviest. Now we have made more, such
as aegirstuff and helstuff.
The firststuffs have their being as motes called *unclefts*.
These are mightly small; one seedweight of waterstuff holds a
tale of them like unto two followed by twenty-two naughts. Most
unclefts link together to make what are called *bulkbits*. Thus,
the waterstuff bulkbit bestands of two waterstuff unclefts, the
sourstuff bulkbit of two sourstuff unclefts, and so on. (Some
kinds, such as sunstuff, keep alone; others, such as iron, cling
together in ices when in the fast standing; and there are yet
more yokeways.) When unlike clefts link in a bulkbit, they make
*bindings*. Thus, water is a binding of two waterstuff unclefts
with one sourstuff uncleft, while a bulkbit of one of the
forestuffs making up flesh may have a thousand thousand or more
unclefts of these two firststuffs together with coalstuff and
chokestuff.
At first is was thought that the uncleft was a hard thing that
could be split no further; hence the name. Now we know it is made
up of lesser motes. There is a heavy *kernel* with a forward
bernstonish lading, and around it one or more light motes with
backward ladings. The least uncleft is that of ordinary
waterstuff. Its kernel is a lone forwardladen mote called a
*firstbit*. Outside it is a backwardladen mote called a
*bernstonebit*. The firstbit has a heaviness about 1840-fold that
of the bernstonebit. Early worldken folk thought bernstonebits
swing around the kernel like the earth around the sun, but now we
understand they are more like waves or clouds.
In all other unclefts are found other motes as well, about as
heavy as the firstbit but with no lading, known as *neitherbits*.
We know a kind of waterstuff with one neitherbit in the kernel
along with the firstbit; another kind has two neitherbits. Both
kinds are seldom.
The next greatest firststuff is sunstuff, which has two firstbits
and two bernstonebits. The everyday sort also has two neitherbits
in the kernel. If there are more or less, the uncleft will soon
break asunder. More about this later.
The third firststuff is stonestuff, with three firstbits, three
bernstonebits, and its own share of neitherbits. And so it goes,
on through such everyday stuffs as coalstuff (six firstbits) or
iron (26) to ones more lately found. Ymirstuff (92) was the last
until men began to make some higher still.
It is the bernstonebits that link, and so their tale fastsets how
a firststuff behaves and what kinds of bulkbits it can help make.
The worldken of this behaving, in all its manifold ways, is
called *minglingken*. Minglingers have found that as the
uncleftish tale of the firststuffs (that is, the tale of
firststuffs in their kernels) waxes, after a while they begin to
show ownships not unlike those of others that went before them.
So, for a showdeal, stonestuff (3), glasswortstuff (11),
potashstuff (19), redstuff (37), and bluegraystuff (55) can each
link with only one uncleft of waterstuff, while coalstuff (6),
flintstuff (14), germanstuff (22), tin (50), and lead (82) can
each link with four. This is readily seen when all are set forth
in what is called the *roundaround board of the firststuffs*.
When an uncleft or a bulkbit wins one or more bernstonebits above
its own, it takes on a backward lading. When it loses one or
more, it takes on a forward lading. Such a mote is called a
*farer*, for that the drag between unlike ladings flits it. When
bernstonebits flit by themselves, it may be as a bolt of
lightning, a spark off some faststanding chunk, or the everyday
flow of bernstoneness through wires.
Coming back to the uncleft itself, the heavier it is, the more
neitherbits as well as firstbits in its kernel. Indeed, soon the
tale of neitherbits is the greater. Unclefts with the same tale
of firstbits but unlike tales of neitherbits are called
*samesteads*. Thus, everyday sourstuff has eight neitherbits with
its eight firstbits, but there are also kinds with five, six,
seven, nine, ten, and eleven neitherbits. A samestead is known by
the tale of both kernel motes, so that we have sourstuff-13,
sourstuff-14, and so on, with sourstuff-16 being by far the most
found. Having the same number of bernstonebits, the samesteads of
a firststuff behave almost alike minglingly. They do show some
unlikenesses, outstandingly among the heavier ones, and these can
be worked to sunder samesteads from each other.
Most samesteads of every firststuff are unabiding. Their kernels
break up, each at its own speed. This speed is written as the
*half-life*, which is how long it takes half of any deal of the
samestead thus to shift itself. The doing is known as
*lightrotting*. It may happen fast or slowly, and in any of
sundry ways, offhanging on the makeup of the kernel. A kernel may
spit out two firstbits with two neitherbits, that is, a sunstuff
kernel, thus leaping two steads back in the roundaround board and
four weights back in heaviness. It may give off a bernstonebit
from a neitherbit, which thereby becomes a firstbit and thrusts
the uncleft one stead up in the board while keeping the same
weight. It may give off a *forwardbit*, which is a mote with the
same weight as a bernstonebit but a forward lading, and thereby
spring one stead down in the board while keeping the same weight.
Often, too, a mote is given off with neither lading nor
heaviness, called the *weeneitherbit*. In much lightrotting, a
mote of light with most short wavelength comes out as well.
For although light oftenest behaves as a wave, it can be looked
on as a mote, the *lightbit*. We have already said by the way
that a mote of stuff can behave not only as a chunk, but as a
wave. Down among the unclefts, things do not happen in steady
flowings, but in leaps between bestandings that are forbidden.
The knowledge-hunt of this is called *lump beholding*.
Nor are stuff and work unakin. Rather, they are groundwise the
same, and one can be shifted into the other. The kinship between
them is that work is like unto weight manifolded by the fourside
of the haste of light.
By shooting motes into kernels, worldken folk have shifted
samesteads of one firststuff into samesteads of another. Thus did
they make ymirstuff into aegirstuff and helstuff, and they have
afterward gone beyond these. The heavier firststuffs are all
highly lightrottish and therefore are not found in the
greenworld.
Some of the higher samesteads are *splitly*. That is, when a
neitherbit strikes the kernel of one, as for a showdeal
ymirstuff-235, it bursts into lesser kernels and free
neitherbits; the latter can then split more ymirstuff-235. When
this happens, weight shifts into work. It is not much of the
whole, but nevertheless it is awesome.
With enough strength, lightweight unclefts can be made to
togethermelt. In the sun, through a row of strikings and
lightrottings, four unclefts of waterstuff in this wise become
one of sunstuff. Again some weight is lost as work, and again
this is greatly big when set beside the work gotten from a
minglingish doing such as fire.
Today we wield both kind of uncleftish doings in weapons, and
kernelish splitting gives us heat and bernstoneness. We hope to
do likewise with togethermelting, which would yield an unhemmed
wellspring of work for mankindish goodgain.
Soothly we live in mighty years! |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:19 am Post subject: |
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Im happy, the weak deserve to perish |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:41 am Post subject: |
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jinju wrote: |
Im happy, the weak deserve to perish |
So the asshats may live on.
Glory hallelujah!
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:57 am Post subject: |
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Thanks man! |
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Tjames426
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:00 am Post subject: |
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Yeah for Wycliffe....
Love them or hate them. Those guys have preserved more tribal languages than any other organization in the world. |
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