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Why I dont believe in evolution
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:00 am    Post subject: Why I dont believe in evolution Reply with quote

'Cause a lot of smart people who believe in a magical being in the sky tell me that evolution is far fetched. This being supposedly created everything and not only that, he himself wasnt created by anyone cause he has always been here even before time itself, which he created, btw, which isnt as far fetched as evolution.
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IlIlNine



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A little OT but I always liked this quote/observation:

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The evolution of the brain not only overshot the needs of prehistoric man, it is the only example of evolution providing a species with an organ which it does not know how to use
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I lose sleep wondering about these questions:

▶ which came first, the chicken or the egg?
▶ where did Cain get his wife?
▶ what does the turtle stand on?
▶ what does the first chair oboist tune to?
▶ if children become racists only if their parents are racists, then where did the first generation of racists come from?
▶ if education professors teach teachers, then who teaches education professors?
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huffdaddy



Joined: 25 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomato wrote:
I lose sleep wondering about these questions:


If a bear shits in the woods, does anyone hear it?
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh no!! yet another evolution thread is born!!!!

I'll come back in 2 years and it'll still be at the top of the forum...
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Rteacher



Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA

PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This pretty much sums it up: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1483755384

Watch it again here if you missed something the first time: http://www.cartoonfeed.com/videos/South_Park/South_Park_-_Mrs_Garrison_Teaches_Evolution (This one includes the students reactions...)


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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="tomato"]I lose sleep wondering about these questions:

▶ 1. which came first, the chicken or the egg?
▶ 2. where did Cain get his wife?
▶ 3. if children become racists only if their parents are racists, then where did the first generation of racists come from?
[quote]

[numbers are mine]

1. Who cares, they both taste good.

2. (a serious answer here) According The First and Second Book of Adam and Eve (part of the The Forgotten Books of Eden, books that continued Adam and Eve's story after Genesis and have since been removed from use in the church), Cain (meaning "Hate") was born with a sister named Luluwa (meaning "Beautiful"). After Cain killed Abel, he went back to the Cave of Treasures (where Adam and his family were banished to by God) to bury Abel, left the cave with Luluwa, married her, and went to a forest and had babies.

3. Texas and Alabama.


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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the whole evolution episode - with French subtitles yet: http://telicthoughts.com/south-park-takes-on-god-and-evolution/
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uberscheisse



Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.

PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

intelligent design... what intelligent designer would design AIDS? a fucking idiot, that's what
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

uberscheisse wrote:
intelligent design... what intelligent designer would design AIDS? a *beep* idiot, that's what


To create conversation, AIDS does a good job of in terms of natural selection. We are educated about AIDS and know how not to get it. Those that don't follow logic get it, and we have drugs that are combating it.

Not to be insensitive to anyone with AIDS, but your argument would be better by using cancer or West Nile instead of AIDS.
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the material universes serve the function of being a "prison house" for the spiritual world, then it is intelligent to design some hellish punishments to bring people back to their spiritual senses (and only the material body "dies" anyway, the soul is ever-existing as a minute particle of "God" ...)
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IlIlNine wrote:
A little OT but I always liked this quote/observation:

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The evolution of the brain not only overshot the needs of prehistoric man, it is the only example of evolution providing a species with an organ which it does not know how to use


(I get the joke but) How do you know primitive man didn't have the brain it roughly needed? Our brains seem to be one of the few things humans are still evolving. It's one of the few organs that still has real selective pressures. Better brains = more money = more likely you're to breed.

Anyway, if you're concerned about the evidence for evolution I encourage you to read:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Pretty much lays out the 29 lines of evidence for macro evolution.

Jinju, what seems far fetched there?

I'd strongly encourage anyone who wants to debate evolution to continue it at the designated thread:

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=59990&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=4185
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The main point I'm concerned with on the "Alternative Challenges to Evolutionary Theories of Origins of Life" thread on the Current Events forum is that life did not and can not originate from non-life by natural causes without being guided by an infinitely intelligent, unlimitedly conscious being (aka God...)

I believe that "life" can not be completely defined by material terms alone - there is a non-physical spiritual spark which animates all living bodies and manifests itself as consciousness.

Each species has a particular level of consciousness, and souls in lower animals automatically transmigrate to the species with the next highest level of consciousness until they attain the human form - ultimately meant for reviving our original pure consciousness of God and the spiritual sky.

The goal is to transcend the evolutionary cycles of birth and death and regain our eternal spiritual forms to partake in the "Supreme Enjoyer's" never-ending pleasure pastimes...

Humans who at least make a little spiritual progress transmigrate to a better material situation in another human family and pick up from whatever point they left off.

Hardcore atheists and those who act like complete animals without making even a little spiritual progress run the risk of falling back into the evolutionary cycle of 8,400,000 species (as described in the Vedic literatures...)

This type of knowledge is not attainable or verifiable by an ascending empirical or speculative process. Pure transcendental knowledge descends from the most intelligent being and is transmitted by realized souls in disciplic succession to sincere seekers of the truth...


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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher wrote:
Pure transcendental knowledge descends from the most intelligent being and is transmitted by realized souls in disciplic succession to sincere seekers of the truth...


Excellent.
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
IlIlNine wrote:
A little OT but I always liked this quote/observation:

Quote:
The evolution of the brain not only overshot the needs of prehistoric man, it is the only example of evolution providing a species with an organ which it does not know how to use


(I get the joke but) How do you know primitive man didn't have the brain it roughly needed? Our brains seem to be one of the few things humans are still evolving. It's one of the few organs that still has real selective pressures. Better brains = more money = more likely you're to breed.


Smart people are more restrained on the breeding.
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