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thu_tinh



Joined: 27 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:40 pm    Post subject: Public Middle School LP Difficulties -- Offer help, insights Reply with quote

I am stuck. I honestly don't know what I am suppose to be teaching these kids. Every week I am suppose to have a meeting with the English teachers at the school to discuss the lesson plan for the next week. None of them ever show up. And the one that does can barely speak English.
I've talked to each and every single one of them individually so far saying I need them to attend these meetings and help guide me. They tell me to teach whatever I want. So I make up a lesson plan and they tell me it's too hard/boring/the students have done it before. Than I talk to them again. Still no guidance. But I know that they DO NOT WANT me to let the children out of their seats. Says its too hard to control. So the activities should be write and read infront of the class only. No other games. At this point I feel like I will keep doing what I have been doing until my contract is up.
For a public school teacher I was hired as an Assistant English teacher. So me asking for guidance and help is allowed isn't it? I am so frustrated and it's not that I haven't been trying to solve the problem.
Is anyone else having difficulties in the public schools?


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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Teach whatever you want' - that sounds wonderful to me. Do you even have copies of the students' textbooks and know what lessons they're doing every week? If so, you can plan your lessons around these. How much time have you spent looking around ESL bood departments for materials you can use? Do you have any picture dictionaries from which you could make hand-outs?

My general philosophy is that I should focus on the things that the Korean teachers can't or simply don't do, such as phonics, dialogues, listening skills, asking and answering basic questions, English songs, oral review quizes, and games that have real educational value that the KTs would never have thought up.

Trust me, you probably don't want their guidance and help because they probably have no idea how to use you. You'll have to figure that out all by yourself. Job titles on contracts are pretty meaningless in any event, and it's very possible that no one at your school has even read your contract.
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prince of hockey



Joined: 03 May 2006
Location: busan, south korea

PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are not alone at all. Co-teaching is a blank slate here and every
Korean teacher has a different opinion about what it means.
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thu_tinh



Joined: 27 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i thought it was wonderful too that I can basically teach whatever I wanted.
But than the teachers were saying to me about how hard/boring/and the students have already done in my lesson plan and it puts me back at square one.
i'm really trying. I want to be able to do activities where the students can move around and like I mentioned the teachers have told me they wanted to keep students in their seats because they are noisy. so its either writing of drawing for them.
i'm not even allowed to have a reward system because they said it would conflict with the one they have already.
oh and the text books i have but i don't know where they are in the book. i've asked and they said i shouldnt be concerned with it.
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a middle school teacher and rarely let kids out of their seats, as the time taken to do anything that requires much movement is not really worth the results.

I think that you should be teaching from the textbook. Most textbooks have a dialogue section that you should be teaching.

The dialogues themselves can be sucky but use them as the base for your lesson. For some kids you'll be teaching a bit of vocab, others will be learning grammar.

Here's what I normally do in a dialouge lesson.

1. Greet students ask them a few 'ice breaker questions'
2. Introduce relevant vocab (hint use pictures, especially goofy ones).
3. Introduce grammar.
4. Listen and repeat on the dialogue, explain points.
5. Go to dialogue drill. I usally take turns with the students then they take turns with eachother. At the end of it ask some comprehension questions (put the questions in the work sheet at the end).
6. Volunteer time (students read alone) I usually bribe my with Candy to do this.
7. Have a worksheet that covers the important vocab, grammar, and comprehension points. note that many students my have trouble formulating answers so I give them a few hints in the question to give them some help.
8. Check answers.
Bye Bye.

From a teacher's persepective I think its really important that you establish a routine with your kids and stick to it. Keep your classroom comands simple and use them a lot, the students will eventually catch on.

Keep your lessons light and fun, have stupid jokes with your students. My students still think it's a hoot when someone says I'm beautiful CLG teacher for some candy. Then I put on a huge act of being surprised, thank them, then go 'no candy.' Even the most boring material can be made fun with the right material and attuide. Make sure you have lots of pictures on your worksheets and to help teach vocabulary (google is your friend), your students will at least have a giggle.

You sound very new to Korea and to Teaching. Perhaps you need to find some native speakers in your area to help out.

Also use the Korean teachers. Give them your lesson plans before hand and go through the lesson. Ask them for help on points you are going to have trouble with. Don't wait until the end of the lesson for these things to come up.

Also as a long term thing you might want to consider bringing in some food etc. to get to know them (local lingo is creating 'jeong'). Koreans can sometimes take a while to warm to an outsider, but in the long run the effort is more than worth it.
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ilovebdt



Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is quite a common occurance in public schools. I teach at a high school and I can teach whatever I want, but my main focus is listening and speaking.

What resources do you have available to you? CD player? Computer? TV?
Did the previous English Assistant leave any lesson plans behind?

Try and get a copy of the students text book and expand on those lessons.


Why not survey your students and find out what they are interested in and plan your lessons accordingly?

ilovebdt
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crazylemongirl wrote:
I'm a middle school teacher and rarely let kids out of their seats, as the time taken to do anything that requires much movement is not really worth the results.

I think that you should be teaching from the textbook. Most textbooks have a dialogue section that you should be teaching.

The dialogues themselves can be sucky but use them as the base for your lesson. For some kids you'll be teaching a bit of vocab, others will be learning grammar.

Here's what I normally do in a dialouge lesson.

1. Greet students ask them a few 'ice breaker questions'
2. Introduce relevant vocab (hint use pictures, especially goofy ones).
3. Introduce grammar.
4. Listen and repeat on the dialogue, explain points.
5. Go to dialogue drill. I usally take turns with the students then they take turns with eachother. At the end of it ask some comprehension questions (put the questions in the work sheet at the end).
6. Volunteer time (students read alone) I usually bribe my with Candy to do this.
7. Have a worksheet that covers the important vocab, grammar, and comprehension points. note that many students my have trouble formulating answers so I give them a few hints in the question to give them some help.
8. Check answers.
Bye Bye.

From a teacher's persepective I think its really important that you establish a routine with your kids and stick to it. Keep your classroom comands simple and use them a lot, the students will eventually catch on.


This is very true, and there's so much more you can do in addition to dialogues. If the dialogues in your textbooks suck, get a copy of 'Pronunciation Pairs' - it has combined phonics and dialogues lessons with lots of pictures and reinforcement of vocab. In addition to the points above, another fun thing is to re-write the dialogue on the board using the existing grammatical structure but with different words. It's amazing how 'going to buy soju' can be much more interesting than 'going to buy milk' and 'let's go to the nightclub' can be so much more fun than 'let's go the amusement park'.
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passport220



Joined: 14 Jun 2006
Location: Gyeongsangbuk-do province

PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use the theme of the chapter in the textbook that the students are studying to give a theme to my lesson. I have to say in our textbook it is not always easy to determine what is the theme is of a chapter, but I just use it as a step off point.

Example: There is a story in a recent chapter of the textbook about classical painters. Van Gogh, Cezanne, Manet, etc. I use it to work on the words Describe and Explain. I first have the students describe a painting. I ask them how the painting makes them feel. I have them explain how the painter achieves this effect.

Exercises: On a handout I have a picture of the famous Illustration of what could be viewed as either an old woman or a young woman. http://mathworld.wolfram.com/YoungGirl-OldWomanIllusion.html (I use the last one on the right)

I have the students first describe the old woman, and then the young.
I have the students explain how the artist is able to portray both in one drawing.

The handout next says: You are a world famous artist. The world loves you! Please describe what your next great painting will look like. Please explain how what you paint will change how people feel.

My point is, I think you can do your own independent lesson but tie it to what the students are learning in the Korean taught classes.
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xox



Joined: 11 Jun 2006
Location: Bundang

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i find it hard to get the lower level students involved. they just do a blank stare at me. and i try candy still nothing. i try to help them out but if i say the word they won't repeat they just read the words they know.

but usually you all just do discussions for 45 mins?
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xox wrote:

but usually you all just do discussions for 45 mins?


No I do a small dialouge. My lower level students I focus more on vocabulary and maybe some set phrases from the dialogue.
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bosintang



Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts

PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you posted a copy of a typical lesson plan, we might have better advice for you.

There's some good advice here I think. I'm kind of new at this game (in public schools in Korea), but I'll add my own.

I think a few things are important: - Get a routine. It's important the students know what to expect when they go to class. - Keep your focus narrow. Realise your limitations and don't try to do everything. - Aim to get your talking time down and student participation up. Don't talk like an idiot, but slow down a little and more importantly, enunciate clearly. Be conscious of the language you are using in the classroom, and be consistent.

One other thing. Find your own style. CrazyLemonGirl brought up having class jokes and using funny pictures and stuff, but if that's not you, don't force it. Be yourself and find what works for you.

My typical lesson:

- For lower-level student, I start with a simple common expressions warm-up game.

- After that I practice a lesson-target vocabulary warm-up game (quick group activity like wordsearch, word scramble, etc. then review using pictures).

- After this, using the vocabulary I have the students create some expressions (** "Guide them to a point that's obvious", someone once told me. I use miming, jokes, props, and communicative drilling to make sure they cover all the lesson-target expressions and maybe create some more on their own. **)

- I organise the expressions into a dialogue, dive the room in half and as a class I have them practice the dialogue using substitutions.

- I increase the amount of expressions and repeat

- Have students practice dialogue (from textbook or handout) individually with a partner. This dialogue might include some new vocabulary or expressions I previously would have decided was not core to the lesson.

- For lower-level classes, they just practice the dialogues using substitutions. For higher-level classes, I try to make a more complicated handout like an information-gap worksheet (two partners have different worksheets and must exchange information).

- Do the listening and writing exercises in the textbook

- If there's still time, if I have an easy cool-down activity that fits into the lesson, I'll use it here.

- Reinforcement worksheet for homework

And that's about the class...
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butlerian



Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I just try to find typical ESL topics and download the relevant materials from sites such as www.bogglesworldesl.com and www.mes-english.com With the lower level classes, I focus more on vocabulary and pronunciation, and with the higher level classes I go through the vocab etc quicker and give them cloze exercises etc to do, which reinforce all areas. Mixed level classes require a kind of balancing act only jugglers are capable of, but I try Smile
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thu_tinh



Joined: 27 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is becoming a good indication that I was not meant to teach. For Dialogue drills do you come up with your own? I'm looking at the textbooks and the teachers guide and I am still very clueless.
I'm sorry if I seem like I need someone to hold my hand but like I said I am clueless and discouraged.
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tiger fancini



Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes

PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, it does sound like you're fairly new at this school (if not, sorry). I would say give it time, get to know your students and try to figure out what level they're at. This took me at least 3 months, and now after 5 months I am starting to find that some of my lessons are actually going pretty well.

I was also told "teach whatever you want!" Then this was quickly followed by "I don't think that lesson was very good because of X,Y and Z." What I tend to do now is use the textbook dialogues, and then choose 1 or 2 things from the dialogue (vocab and its use, grammer) and pitch it to my students level. Give it time, if you're determined you will get there eventually.
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passport220



Joined: 14 Jun 2006
Location: Gyeongsangbuk-do province

PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thu_tinh wrote:
this is becoming a good indication that I was not meant to teach. I'm sorry if I seem like I need someone to hold my hand but like I said I am clueless and discouraged.


Play to your strengths and keep it simple.

If you are truly feeling this way, first come up with lessons that you have the most confidence in and are the most comfortable in presenting. Assess and target the needs of the students later.

I know some will disagree with this, however in the long run I think you will serve your students best if you first gain confidence and are in full control of what takes place in your classroom.

I had a fair amount of public speaking and presentations experience in my career before teaching. Therefore, I am comfortable presenting material. I read stories and explain. I talk a lot about examples. I feel I can hold the students attention by making my monologues somewhat entertaining and adding a few jokes. This is where I feel comfortable.

I am not as comfortable with full classroom activities. I feel like if the mechanics of the activities go astray, I loose some control of the class. Others are masters at running activities.

My point is go with what you know. Don�t worry so much in the beginning about the comprehensive plan for what you will teach your students. Instead develop a tool box of what you can do confidently. Later use this tool box to make your lessons the most effective that they can be.

Keep it simple. Until you find your legs don�t shoot for the moon. I have seen the lessons the Korean teachers present not only in English but other subjects and they are really very dry. Use lots of visual aids. If available I use the computer, TV and projector in the room to display photos, play songs and even short video clips to keep the students interest. Basic lessons work fine if presented with confidence and enthusiasm.

Post mortem criticism is a �no go�! If the Korean teachers are not showing up to discuss lesson planning and give you their expectations of what they would like taught then completely ignore them. I mean be 100% polite, smile a lot and acknowledge what they are telling you, but if you don�t find what they are saying useful�.agree with them and then blow it off.

This tread talks about some specific presentations and activities:
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=65473&highlight=

Good luck!
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