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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 1:07 am Post subject: Zionism and the Third Reich |
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Zionism and the Third Reich
by Mark Weber
Early in 1935, a passenger ship bound for Haifa in Palestine left the German port of Bremerhaven. Its stern bore the Hebrew letters for its name, "Tel Aviv," while a swastika banner fluttered from the mast. And although the ship was Zionist-owned, its captain was a National Socialist Party member.
Many years later a traveler aboard the ship recalled this symbolic combination as a "metaphysical absurdity."1
Absurd or not, this is but one vignette from a little-known chapter of history: The wide-ranging collaboration between Zionism and Hitler's Third Reich.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html |
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guangho

Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Location: a spot full of deception, stupidity, and public micturation and thus unfit for longterm residency
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 3:11 am Post subject: |
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http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/historical_review.asp?xpicked=3&item=ihr
"Once a leading voice in the international movement to deny the Holocaust and vindicate Hitler and the Nazi regime, the Institute for Historical Review has been in decline for several years. It has been unable to convene a major international conference or publish its Holocaust-denying Journal of Historical Review since 2002. Currently its activities have been limited to hosting minor extremist gatherings -- usually featuring a speech by IHR director Mark Weber and occasionally another Holocaust denier such as David Irving -- and operating its Web site and its e-mail list.
The Institute of Historical Review and its publishing arm, the Noontide Press, were founded in 1978 by the leading organizer of modern American anti-Semitism, Willis Carto, and his wife Elisabeth. Based near Los Angeles in Torrance, California, the group pioneered organizing efforts among Holocaust deniers, who had heretofore labored mostly in isolation and obscurity. The group's first "Revisionist Convention" in September 1979 featured speakers from the U.S., France, Germany, England and Sweden, many of whom subsequently contributed articles to the inaugural issue of IHR's Journal of Historical Review the following spring. With the Noontide Press offering a means for the sale and distribution of their writings, professional deniers had found something of a rainmaker in Carto.
In a misguided bid to enlist mainstream historians to its cause, IHR obtained the 12,000-member mailing list of the Organization of American Historians, to which it sent copies of the Journal of Historical Review. The group also sent mailings to members of the American Historical Association and to subscribers of the scholarly journals Central European History and German Quarterly. Unsurprisingly, these efforts backfired: all of the organizations and journals repudiated IHR and promised to keep the group away from their mailing lists in the future. The Organization of American Historians went further, commissioning a study of IHR's materials. The results were damning, with a panel finding that the Journal of Historical Review was "nothing but a masquerade of scholarship."
From the institute's inception, speakers at its conferences and writers in its journal or published by its press have labored to build a case that the Auschwitz gas chambers were either used only for delousing clothing or were merely bomb shelters; that the confessions of SS personnel, including Adolf Eichmann and Rudolf H?s, must be disregarded; that there was no policy of murdering Jews in places such as Treblinka, Majdanek and Belzec. IHR continually works to discredit the testimony of survivors and the reliability of wartime documents; several articles and speeches have been devoted to proving that Anne Frank's diary is a "fraud" fabricated after the war. One article has even suggested that the infamous German pogrom known as Kristallnacht was directed by the Jews themselves.
IHR speakers and writers contend that the Holocaust "hoax" (or "Holohoax," as they often call it) was perpetrated by Jews on a gullible public in order to create and support the State of Israel, and to defraud Western countries of billions of dollars in reparations payments to survivors. Some, including current IHR director Mark Weber (right), believe that Jews impose the guilt-inducing Holocaust "myth" on the West out of "contempt for non-Jewish humanity." Others, including Jurgen Graf, propose that the universal acceptance of the "gas chamber lie" is actually the first step in a plot by "shadowy, hidden forces" to "destroy all sovereign nations and establish a world government." |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 5:58 am Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar, this is the Off-Topic Forum, not Off-the-Wall Forum. Please restrain yourself. |
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Park mi-car
Joined: 20 May 2005
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: Zionism and the Third Reich |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
Zionism and the Third Reich
by Mark Weber
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Is this the same guy who drives for the 'Williams' Formula-1 racing team?
......concerned |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 1:00 am Post subject: Re: Zionism and the Third Reich |
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| Park mi-car wrote: |
| igotthisguitar wrote: |
Zionism and the Third Reich
by Mark Weber
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Is this the same guy who drives for the 'Williams' Formula-1 racing team?
......concerned |
Ummmm ... i dunno. Guess it's possible, but i doubt it.
Re: the article itself, did anyone actually read it ??? Something tells me Weber is onto something. FINAL solution indeed.
Was anyone ever told about this collusion in their WW2 History class ??? I know i wasn't & i find that disturbing. Smoke & mirrors all the way to the bank. |
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guangho

Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Location: a spot full of deception, stupidity, and public micturation and thus unfit for longterm residency
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 2:02 am Post subject: |
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| See, the thing is, if I read an article that purports to scientifically prove that the Earth is flat and later I find out that it uses statistics provided by the flat Earth society, that puts a wee damper on the article credibility. You get my analogy right? |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: seoul
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 5:03 am Post subject: |
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you know Igot...
they now have medicines that can help people like you. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| guangho wrote: |
| See, the thing is, if I read an article that purports to scientifically prove that the Earth is flat and later I find out that it uses statistics provided by the flat Earth society, that puts a wee damper on the article credibility. You get my analogy right? |
Sure i get your point. Still, especially with clear academic footnotes & all i'm even more confident these are historical facts. Oddly, however, it's not something you generally find examined or discussed in history classes
Who was it that said "Politics often makes for strange bedfellows." ???
Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, maintained that anti-Semitism is not an aberration, but a natural and completely understandable response by non-Jews to alien Jewish behavior and attitudes.
The only solution, he argued, is for Jews to recognize reality and live in a separate state of their own. "The Jewish question exists wherever Jews live in noticeable numbers," he wrote in his most influential work, The Jewish State. "Where it does not exist, it is brought in by arriving Jews ... I believe I understand anti-Semitism, which is a very complex phenomenon. I consider this development as a Jew, without hate or fear."
The Jewish question, he maintained, is not social or religious. "It is a national question. To solve it we must, above all, make it an international political issue ..."
Regardless of their citizenship, Herzl insisted, Jews constitute not merely a religious community, but a nationality, a people, a Volk.2
Zionism, wrote Herzl, offered the world a welcome "final solution of the Jewish question."3
2.Quoted in: Ingrid Weckert, Feuerzeichen: Die "Reichskristallnacht" (Tübingen: Grabert, 1981), p. 212. See also: Th. Herzl, The Jewish State (New York: Herzl Press, 1970), pp. 33, 35, 36, and, Edwin Black, The Transfer Agreement (New York: Macmillan, 1984), p. 73.
3.Th. Herzl, "Der Kongress," Welt, June 4, 1897. Reprinted in: Theodor Herzls zionistische Schriften (Leon Kellner, ed.), erster Teil, Berlin: Jüdischer Verlag, 1920, p. 190 (and p. 139). |
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