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"Just Treat Us Like Equals: Foreign Professors."

 
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Smee



Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:30 am    Post subject: "Just Treat Us Like Equals: Foreign Professors." Reply with quote

Over at The Marmot's Hole there's a translation of an interesting article from Naver's Sisa Journal. Definitely check out the whole translation.

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In last week�s Sisa Journal, Noh Jin-seop examined the state of foreign professors at Korean universities, who apparently feel themselves to be �ghosts� whom are not treated as equal to their Korean colleagues.

In fact, said the piece, they are often treated as if they don�t exist � they are outcasts, or wangtta who are completely excluded from the administration of their own departments.

Even with their masters and doctorates, they�re treated no different from hagwon instructors, leading a growing number of qualified professors to leave Korea, negating efforts on the part of the nation�s educational authorities to globalize Korean universities.


http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/09/19/just-treat-us-like-equals-foreign-professors/

http://news.naver.com/news/read.php?mode=LSOD&office_id=135&article_id=0000001081&section_id=114&menu_id=114
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Woland



Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've put up a long comment under my nom de plume here at the Marmot's Hole, so anybody who wants to see what I think, can look there.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foreign Scholars Merit Equal Status
The foreign professor -- colleague or hired hand?
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foreign professors number only a handful compared to the legions of Korean professors at foreign universities, but they do most of the heavy lifting in terms of course loads, devoting themselves almost exclusively to teaching. Nevertheless, they tend to be treated as hired hands, without academic standing, and lacking the possibility of career advancement or tenure. They must submit to yearly contracts (compensated at a rate only 60 percent of their Korean peers) while walled off from the permanent Korean faculty who benefit from travel, research funding, sabbaticals, etc....
According to the Samsung Group's chairman, Lee Kun-hee, to succeed globally, Korea must forgo the thought that Korea and being Korean is superior, and foreign specialists must be treated with respect.

by John B. Kotch, JoongAng Ilbo (June 14, 2002)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=1904927

Foreign Residents Face Discrimination
In Riding Subways, Opening Web Sites and Getting License
By Kim Tae-jong, Korea Times (May 31, 2007)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2007/05/113_3819.html

Foreigners Fight Bias
No Foreigners Allowed: Nationality Discrimination Legal in Korea
By Christopher Carpenter and Jane Han, Korea Times (December 12, 2006)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/news_view.asp?newsIdx=3033479
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http://photo.hankooki.com/newsphoto/2006/12/12/ensor200612122018471nofor3.jpg

E-1 Visa (Professors)
"In the case of a national or a public university, a foreigner is not permitted to be a full-time professor."
Visa issuance procedure: E-1 (Professors)
from the Immigration Bureau, Ministry of Justice, Republic of Korea
http://www.moj.go.kr/HP/ENG/eng_03/eng_306030.jsp

Racial Superiority Is the Problem
by Han Kyung-koo, Chosun Ilbo (August 29, 2007)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200708/200708290007.html

Foreigners Experience Difficulties in Living in Korea
by Jae-Dong Yu and Soo-Jung Shin, Donga.com (July 4, 2004)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2004070522448
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DHC



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea will eventually have to bring it's education policies into line with the majority of the world if it wants international recognition. That being said , Korea is still a society very deeply rooted in long standing traditions that will not change overnight. Anyone working in Korea , especially teaching at a university steeped in Confucian tradition , must realize that no two Koreans are EVER equal. There is always a ranking which at times can be very complicated. A foreigner is not included in this system. Foreigners are NEVER on equal footing with Koreans. This may change in time but time is the key word here. It won't change anytime soon.

While it is true that foreign professors teach more than Korean professors , foreign professors are not required to keep the same social schedule as Koreans and they do not have to attend a never ending series of meetings , often called at the last moment. Foreign professors are not required to publish on a regular basis nor are they required to attend endless meetings and conferences , often on their day off or the weekend and this without additional compensation. Junior Korean professors often complain that they are like slaves because they are required to do so much additional work at the request of their senior professors. Tenure is a long and difficult process. When the day comes that foreign professors are treated equally with Korean professors , many will have tremendous difficulty playing within the Korean system. Equality may eventually come but when it does you will still be in a Korean university and the system is Korean with all the cultural differences most foreigners don't like.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DHC wrote:
Korea will eventually have to bring it's education policies into line with the majority of the world if it wants international recognition. That being said , Korea is still a society very deeply rooted in long standing traditions that will not change overnight. Anyone working in Korea , especially teaching at a university steeped in Confucian tradition , must realize that no two Koreans are EVER equal. There is always a ranking which at times can be very complicated. A foreigner is not included in this system. Foreigners are NEVER on equal footing with Koreans. This may change in time but time is the key word here. It won't change anytime soon.

While it is true that foreign professors teach more than Korean professors , foreign professors are not required to keep the same social schedule as Koreans and they do not have to attend a never ending series of meetings , often called at the last moment. Foreign professors are not required to publish on a regular basis nor are they required to attend endless meetings and conferences , often on their day off or the weekend and this without additional compensation. Junior Korean professors often complain that they are like slaves because they are required to do so much additional work at the request of their senior professors. Tenure is a long and difficult process. When the day comes that foreign professors are treated equally with Korean professors , many will have tremendous difficulty playing within the Korean system. Equality may eventually come but when it does you will still be in a Korean university and the system is Korean with all the cultural differences most foreigners don't like.


I can't understand what highly qualified academics, unless they wanted to do research on Korea itlsef, would possibly want to work at a university here. What PhD who wants to make a name for himself wants tenure at a uni with apathetic students who think they've already made it and who don't know the meaning of the word 'plagiarism', colleagues who publish several articles a decade, and little or no contact with other English-speaking academics in their field?

It's funny how Korea is so desperate for its national universities to move up in rankings, and could do it so easily by hiring big names from abroad, but is just too plain insecure to do so.
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jlb



Joined: 18 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not so sure I'd want to be treated equally. I like the anonymity that comes with being a foreigner. No one checks up on you, pretty low expectations. Not that many meetings or ass-kissing. Not such a bad thing in my opinion.
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While there's no way to verify, I wonder how many of these were actual professors, vs E2 visa holders teaching at the university level.
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