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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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deadman
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| Garbage. About the same quality as most of Joo's posts. |
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riverboy
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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So what is the conclusionHere? Only people who follow the mainstream right and agree with corporate media are allowed to be bigots?
Alex Jones may have some pretty hairbrained theories, but he sure is fun! |
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igotthisguitar
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| deadman wrote: |
| Garbage. About the same quality as most of Joo's posts. |
says the supporter of David Icky.
You are busted |
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deadman
Joined: 27 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| deadman wrote: |
| Garbage. About the same quality as most of Joo's posts. |
says the supporter of David Icky.
You are busted |
Thanks for proving my point. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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Tell us what David Icke's message today?
Why don't you tell us what he has to day? Are you ashamed? |
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deadman
Joined: 27 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
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| Garbage. About the same quality as most of Joo's posts. |
says the supporter of David Icky.
You are busted |
Thanks for proving my point. |
Tell us what David Icke's message today?
Why don't you tell us what he has to day? Are you ashamed? |
Make that ALL of Joo's posts. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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Alex Jones is a documentary film maker and radio show host, based in Austin, Texas. To date, he has produced 14 documentary films, published a book, maintains a slew of websites (the main ones being InfoWars.com, PrisonPlanet.com, and JonesReport.com), and broadcasts live over the Internet 6 days a week. For over 10 years, Jones has been promoting a doomladen, apocalyptic message about the imminent enslavement of the entire world by a shadowy, vaguely defined group known as the 'New World Order'. He claims, amongst many other things, that we are on the brink of World War 3, that world economies will shortly collapse (by design), that FEMA has set up concentration camps all over America, that the New World Order is planning to kill off 80% of the world's population, and that 9/11 was an 'inside job'. He has attracted a huge following, largely in America, although also in the UK and various other countries. He claims to be a Christian yet rarely talks about his faith. What his does talk about - a lot - is himself, and his products, and if he has any beliefs at all, it would seem that this is where they begin and end. He has cleverly crafted an image of being a fearless crusader against lies and corruption, while actually doing comparatively little in terms of engaging with issues of social justice or with the political process itself.
What Jones offers his followers is a constant stream of paranoia-inducing conspiracy theories, passed off as established facts. He incites panic in his followers, while providing no real solutions to the issues he raises. His formula used to explain 9/11 and other world events is 'problem-reaction-solution'. According to this theory, governments orchestrate problems (in this case through 'false flag' terrorist attacks), the people then demand a solution, and governments provide the curtailing of civil liberties as the solution. In his world view, there is no such thing as a coincidence, a mistake, or an event beyond governmental control; government opportunism doesn't exist - everything is pre-planned. This oversimplification of the realities of world events not only engenders ignorance and paranoia, it also cripples those who might otherwise feel inspired to get involved in fighting for social justice and civil liberties. Jones rants on and on about fighting the New World Order, but fails to offer any clear ideas as to how to do this, beyond buying his documentaries and 'spreading the word'. Arguably, Jones actually makes use of the very 'problem-reaction-solution' method that he ascribes to the supposed 'world government': Problem: The New World Order, Reaction: Fear, Solution: Buy Jones' films. The most interesting, and manipulative, aspect of Jones' own problem-reaction-solution scam is that, once ensnared, 'believers' in Alex Jones are trapped in a never ending cycle: he inspires fear in order to sell his films, and the films in turn inspire more fear, which sends consumers back to Jones for a solution, who then assaults them with even more fearmongering and offers his latest film as a solution (and so on).
There are really two kinds of Jones follower. The first, and largest, group is made up of people who completely buy into his dark vision of the world and treat Jones as some kind of saviour. The second group sees Jones as someone who is over-the-top, but who nonetheless has his heart in the right place and does provide useful information. The problem with the second position is that what truth there actually is in what Jones says is almost entirely drawn from mainstream news sources (the same news outlets he claims are 'totally controlled', i.e. 'Don't believe them, just listen to me - and watch my films!'), and much of that is misrepresented by Jones to support an extreme conspiratorial outlook. In the 3 hours a day people spend listening to Jones ranting and raving on his radio show, they could be looking at both mainstream and alternative news sources for themselves - it's all there online for the taking! In the time spent reading the half truths and outright misrepresentations found on PrisonPlanet.com, they could be looking at multiple sources of information to get a more balanced view. Basically, for those who don't buy into the whole package, the Jones enterprise encourages intellectual laziness, and also justifies failing to properly engage with real political issues, and failing to support activist groups that are grounded in reality. Immersing yourself in Jones' radio shows, websites, and documentaries is a waste of time, and provides the feeling of doing something, when actually you're doing nothing. For those who do buy into the whole narrative, they have voluntarily relinquished their critical thinking skills (if they ever had any to begin with), and have come under the spell of a highly manipulative and arguably insincere snake-oil salesman. |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Tell us what David Icke's message today? |
Part of what he says has to do with vile reptilian overlords seeking to further enslave humanity.
Tolkien was aware of such things as well  |
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deadman
Joined: 27 May 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:09 am Post subject: |
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Joo, what is the VALUE in the site? I contend there is none, its just another poorly argued hit piece riddled with assumptions treated as truth and perjorative terms. Net value to the debate on either side - ZERO
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A.... He claims, amongst many other things, that we are on the brink of World War 3, that world economies will shortly collapse (by design), that FEMA has set up concentration camps all over America, that the New World Order is planning to kill off 80% of the world's population, and that 9/11 was an 'inside job'.
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He may indeed claim those things, but this article assumes, implicitly here and explicitly elsewhere, that these things are false and the beliefs of a crazy person. That's opinion, not proof. People either believe that already, or they don't. Whats the point of writing an article that offers nothing?
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| He has attracted a huge following, largely in America, although also in the UK and various other countries. He claims to be a Christian yet rarely talks about his faith. What his does talk about - a lot - is himself, and his products, and if he has any beliefs at all, it would seem that this is where they begin and end. He has cleverly crafted an image of being a fearless crusader against lies and corruption, while actually doing comparatively little in terms of engaging with issues of social justice or with the political process itself. |
Opinion: he's vain, manipulative and interested only in making money.
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Arguably, Jones actually makes use of the very 'problem-reaction-solution' method that he ascribes to the supposed 'world government': Problem: The New World Order, Reaction: Fear, Solution: Buy Jones' films. |
"Arguably"? They must know they're full of *beep* on that one.
According to their definition of problem reaction solution - first the government orchestrates the problem. Apply it to Jones - so he orchestrated the New World Order? They have no idea what they're talking about and they know it.Even they didn't expect to be able to sell that one, hence the "arguably".
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| The most interesting, and manipulative, aspect of Jones' own problem-reaction-solution scam is that, once ensnared, 'believers' in Alex Jones are trapped in a never ending cycle: he inspires fear in order to sell his films, and the films in turn inspire more fear, which sends consumers back to Jones for a solution, who then assaults them with even more fearmongering and offers his latest film as a solution (and so on). |
Great conclusion - pity the leadup to it was complete nonsense.
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| There are really two kinds of Jones follower. |
Oh wow, some sweeping generalisations! Wait, is this opinion, or opinion passed off as fact?
Like I said. Crap. Why waste your time? |
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deadman
Joined: 27 May 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:14 am Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Tell us what David Icke's message today? |
Part of what he says has to do with vile reptilian overlords seeking to further enslave humanity.
Tolkien was aware of such things as well |
Icke told me Joo was one of their vile reptilian underlings as well. I didn't need much convincing on that one. |
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deadman
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:18 am Post subject: |
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Tell us what David Icke's message today?
Why don't you tell us what he has to day? Are you ashamed? |
Joo's "agrument" (I use the term in its broadest possible sense) runs like this:
1. Deadman has actually read what David Icke has to say, and agrees with at least some of it, therefore everything he says is false.
2. Deadman was critical of the link I posted due to it being inconsequential and illogical garbage, therefore (from 1) it's actually perfectly true and logical.
Awesome!!
(See my first post) |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:28 am Post subject: |
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"deadman"][
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Joo's "agrument" (I use the term in its broadest possible sense) runs like this:
1. Deadman has actually read what David Icke has to say, and agrees with at least some of it, therefore everything he says is false. |
(shows you are a demented sick F*ck . But carry on.
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2. Deadman was critical of the link I posted due to it being inconsequential and illogical garbage, therefore (from 1) it's actually perfectly true and logical.[
Awesome!!
(See my first post) |
No you see below.
David Icke the savior of the world
The David Icke follower
. He claims, amongst many other things, that we are on the brink of World War 3, that world economies will shortly collapse (by design), that FEMA has set up concentration camps all over America, that the New World Order is planning to kill off 80% of the world's population, and that 9/11 was an 'inside job'.
The David Icke follower:
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He may indeed claim those things, but this article assumes, implicitly here and explicitly elsewhere, that these things are false and the beliefs of a crazy person. That's opinion, not proof. People either believe that already, or they don't. Whats the point of writing an article that offers nothing? |
They aren't the beliefs of a crazy person?
What has David Icke said that you would like to share with us all? |
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deadman
Joined: 27 May 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:47 am Post subject: |
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"deadman"][
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Joo's "agrument" (I use the term in its broadest possible sense) runs like this:
1. Deadman has actually read what David Icke has to say, and agrees with at least some of it, therefore everything he says is false. |
(shows you are a demented sick F*ck . But carry on.
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2. Deadman was critical of the link I posted due to it being inconsequential and illogical garbage, therefore (from 1) it's actually perfectly true and logical.[
Awesome!!
(See my first post) |
No you see below.
David Icke the savior of the world
The David Icke follower
. He claims, amongst many other things, that we are on the brink of World War 3, that world economies will shortly collapse (by design), that FEMA has set up concentration camps all over America, that the New World Order is planning to kill off 80% of the world's population, and that 9/11 was an 'inside job'.
The David Icke follower:
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He may indeed claim those things, but this article assumes, implicitly here and explicitly elsewhere, that these things are false and the beliefs of a crazy person. That's opinion, not proof. People either believe that already, or they don't. Whats the point of writing an article that offers nothing? |
They aren't the beliefs of a crazy person?
What has David Icke said that you would like to share with us all? |
Last I checked, this thread was about your link on Alex Jones.
You bring up Icke when you're desperate to score a few points because your arguments aren't doing too well.
Apparently, that's all the time! |
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