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Who Rules The World? |
America |
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11% |
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China |
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11% |
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The UN (haha) |
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5% |
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The Masons |
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0% |
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Big Business |
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11% |
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A combination of Big Business and the USA |
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Satan |
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16% |
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Big_Bird and her minions |
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22% |
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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:11 am Post subject: Who Rules the World? |
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Who Rules the World?
Brian Eno:
Nobody. It's much too complicated for that. There are six billion interested parties competing for slices of the control cake ( and that's only the humans), but the world as a whole is such a complex organism that to ask who rules it is like saying "which cell rules the body?", or "which animal rules the jungle?". It's an ecology, stupid.
Of course, power is moving all the time. The nation-state, for example, is having an increasingly hard time deciding what it's for, since many of the problems with which it traditionally dealt are no longer resolvable at national level. The most important big issues are out of the hands of national governments and will increasingly be dealt with at the global level: trade and business, climate change, the use of the sea and other natural resources, technological standardisation, security and cross-border crime. The EU is an example of a response to this: the governments within it cede power to the union because it is calculated to be in everyone's best interests, on average, to coordinate at a transnational level.
Bettany Hughes:
Large corporations and techno-bureaucrats. When modern democracies were founded "the people" were protected against massive concentrations of power. Today the stretch of the new multinationals and their mediators is unparalleled.
But at source the world is ruled by attitude. The market recognises this. "Word of mouth" is still the best seller. The media chases not demographic, but "attitudinal" groups. It is the attitude of a single trader that can bring chaos to the financial markets, it is raw, unmediated attitude that can transmit across the internet to spark terrorism. Attitude is omnipotent. We should be less complacent about what we think.
Peter Tatchell:
Big business and multinational corporations. The big ones - mostly American - have more economic power and political clout than the democratically-elected governments of half the nations of the world.
This immense power is non-transparent, unaccountable and based on economic dictatorship. The political systems of democratic nations involve one-person, one-vote. In contrast, within the global economic system - including the economies of the so-called great democracies - the majority of people have no votes at all. Employees and consumers are economically disenfranchised. All the votes are held by major shareholders, directors and managers. They decide everything. This economic tyranny contradicts the modern democratic ethos.
We've partly won political democracy. Now we need to begin the battle for economic democracy as well.
Sam Duckworth:
From the moment we wake up we are bombarded by marketing, encouraging us to live beyond our means, inspiring us to purchase products we can live without and to aspire to fit a pre-defined stereotype, specifically constructed to make us spend. These same corporations own the world's news sources, allowing them to influence the way we think through the way stories are written (or left unwritten). We then take these views and apply them to our surroundings, living our lives by a competitive capitalist dogma, that encourages us to think selfishly, all whilst the consequences of our selfishness are devastating.
Exploitation, pollution and extreme poverty exist in a world with enough resources to allow everyone to live a good lifestyle. Whether it be our growing relationship with capitalism or the media justification of our living habits, the truth still cannot be hidden. We still rule the world and we're screwing it up.
Camila Batmanghelidjh:
Ancient politics was very reliant on personalities and individuals. However, with the development of information technology, the world is no longer ruled by individuals. The "leader" is viral and more abstract. It's based on emotional and social metamorphosis. The force that is leading us can't be captured or identified within individuals.
Some people, symbolically and momentarily, embody or represent aspects of the leadership momentum, but it's not located in any one place. Contemporary society is fundamentally led by the communication media, who capture themes and reflect them back to us.
Some people are very good at tuning into these abstracts and they have a particular talent for articulating them for the group. Invariably, these personalities assume a public profile because they represent an archetypal space, but they are not necessarily the leaders of those spaces.
Modern leadership is about making visible the viral psychological momentum and the media occupy that space the most. So they are, arguably, the force which rules the world.
John Pilger:
American corporate and state power, assisted by their equivalents in Europe and Asia, certainly aspire to rule the world, and they probably do. At the turn of the millennium, the US Space Command announced that American policy was "full spectrum dominance". They likened this to the European imperial navies' domination of the oceans. Thus "imperialism" was officially returned to common usage, if not to the vocabulary of the "mainstream" media. Of course, imperial rule has been the ambition of US planners since they declared "Manifest Destiny" in the 19th century.
Since 1945, the US has overthrown, directly and indirectly, 50 governments, including democracies, in pursuit of this goal. Looking at the league table, it's clear the Eisenhower and Clinton administrations were the most successful, though the Truman administration deserves special mention for dropping the atomic bombs and casting a permanent nuclear shadow over humanity.
Nitin Sawhney:
Last week Alan Greenspan, America's elder statesman on finance, declared that Bush's prime motive for invading Iraq was oil. When you add this to the fact that three generations of the Bush family and John Kerry all belonged to the same cult/fraternity at Yale university, responsible for grooming many senators, presidents and secretaries of war, and then throw Leo Strauss' influence into the pot, it becomes quite evident that the world is run by very greedy, aggressive and ruthless neocon businessmen. |
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Zutronius

Joined: 16 Apr 2007 Location: Suncheon
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:48 am Post subject: |
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The rich? |
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hubba bubba
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:09 am Post subject: Re: Who Rules the World? |
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That's pretty much it. While it's convenient and nice sounding to say a supergroup of people "Rules the World", uh, really, not likely. It's just too big and complicated.
Who is the biggest and brightest businessman of the last generation? Well, let's just go with Bill Gates. He has his own little kingdom, but I doubt he would even be willing to rule the world. Too much hassle. Same with Mr. Trump. These people aren't interested in "Ruling the World", just dominating in their areas.
The ones that are interested in ruling the world are too incompetent to pull it off. If they were that brilliant, they would me a King of Industry. |
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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:01 am Post subject: |
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Globalisation has undermined democratic governments and awarded hegemony to big business.
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How did the transnationals gain the power to insist that the market must be left largely unfettered and that governments must step aside? The answer lies in the steps taken nearly 30 years ago to remove exchange controls in the major economies so that capital was free to roam the world, looking for the best investment opportunities. There is a lively debate to be had as to whether this has proved to deliver economic benefits or not, but there can be little doubt about the political consequences.
The most important investors found that they suddenly had a trump card in their hands. Either they got what they wanted from governments, or they would take their investment to more accommodating locations. Without a shot being fired or a vote being cast, the balance of power had shifted decisively. Politicians might posture and voters might go through the democratic motions, but the rules were now being made by an unaccountable, immensely powerful and politically extreme minority who could simply ignore or override governments as they chose.
The new rulers are clear about what they want. They want accommodating economic policies delivered by bankers and officials who will be immune to the pressures exerted on politicians - what we used to call democracy. They want lower taxes for business and the rich. They want huge salaries, bonuses, share issues, golden handshakes and other perks as demanded by the global market. They want quiescent trade unions, relaxed rules about the repatriation of profits, and nothing too onerous by way of community and environmental responsibilities. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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Big Bird, that's an excellent summation of what's happened. I add only one caveat. The global mobility of capital and corporations is a manifestly good thing.
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The answer lies in the steps taken nearly 30 years ago to remove exchange controls in the major economies so that capital was free to roam the world, looking for the best investment opportunities |
That's it! All of a sudden individual countries could no longer rope in the bankers because they owed so much money. Now, with global capital securitized among almost a billion people in the world, a country that defaults on its debts is held accountable.
Some people think that countries should be able to borrow foreign money for domestic welfare and not pay it back. The fact is, if you want to avoid that foreign accountability, collect more taxes. Because taxes are the only truly domestic moneys anymore, now that anyone can invest in securitized bonds.
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Either they got what they wanted from governments, or they would take their investment to more accommodating locations. Without a shot being fired or a vote being cast, the balance of power had shifted decisively. Politicians might posture and voters might go through the democratic motions, but the rules were now being made by an unaccountable, immensely powerful and politically extreme minority who could simply ignore or override governments as they chose. |
Oh, wait. Did I say collect more taxes? Sorry, I should have said, collect more individual taxes. You cannot over tax corporations. Should you do so, the corporations will be de-incentivized to set up shop in your country.
Trivia question
Which of these three countries has the lowest corporate taxes: The US, Japan, or France?
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The new rulers are clear about what they want. They want accommodating economic policies delivered by bankers and officials who will be immune to the pressures exerted on politicians - what we used to call democracy. They want lower taxes for business and the rich. They want huge salaries, bonuses, share issues, golden handshakes and other perks as demanded by the global market. They want quiescent trade unions, relaxed rules about the repatriation of profits, and nothing too onerous by way of community and environmental responsibilities. |
OMG! Here comes resentaspeak! 'They!'
Well, who are 'they?' With global finance run online, and brokerage services that allow individuals to trade with the click of a button for a flat fee, 'they' is 'us.' That's right! If its a corporation, its ownership is tradeable. By you!
Here's the secret. In the global world, save your money and learn something about finance and investment. Once you do, you can invest your earnings in the market. At that point you become 'they.' And at that point, you can stop whining and bitching about how you are no longer in control. Instead, you can laugh at the people who do not have the fiscal responsibility or know-how to compete in the global economy.
Throw away Naomi Klein. Pick up more investment books. The world is yours for the taking!
P.S. I'm happy to see Labor Unions get the *crap* beat out of them these days. |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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First, nice series of questions you have posed here, Big_Bird.
Some might entertain the idea, some might even attempt it, but as Eno opines, none could possibly do so.
By the way, this question is posed sensationally, and is too Tears-for-Fearsish. Are we talking about an Ian Fleming novel?
In any case, most actual historical actors and the interests they might represent would like to influence world affairs in their favor, to one degree or another. Few, however, truly aspire "to rule the world" -- the obvious exception notwithstanding...
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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I clicked on UN (hahah) because I just wanted to see the poll results. Nobody rules the world. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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You left out the Vatican (was this what you meant by Satan)?
200 MONKS MURDERED
> From: Miemie
> Sent: Fri 9/28/2007 12:18 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: bludgeoning monks by the 'lone-tein'
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> We just got phone call with our sister living in Yangon about a few
> hours ago.
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> We saw on BBC world, saying that 200 monks were arrested. The true picture is far worse!!!!!!!!!
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> For one instance, the monastery at an obscure neighborhood of
> Yangon,called Ngwe Kyar Yan (on Wei-za-yan-tar Road, Yangon) had been raided early this morning.
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> A troop of lone-tein (riot police comprised of paid thugs) protected
> by the military trucks, raided the monastery with 200 studying monks.
> They systematically ordered all the monks to line up and banged and
> crushed each one's head against the brick wall of the monastery. One
> by one, the peaceful, non resisting monks, fell to the ground,
> screaming in pain. Then, they tore off the red robes and threw them
> all in the military trucks (like rice bags) and took the bodies away.
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> The head monk of the monastery, was tied up in the middle of the
> monastery, tortured , bludgeoned, and later died the same day, today.
> Tens of thousands of people gathered outside the monastery, warded off by troops with bayoneted rifles,
unable to help their helpless monks being slaughtered inside the monastery. Their every try to forge
> ahead was met with the bayonets.
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> When all is done, only 10 out of 200 remained alive, hiding in the
> monastery. Blood stained everywhere on the walls and floors of the
> monastery.
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> Please tell your audience of the full extent of the fate of the monks
> please please !!!!!!!!!!!!
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> 'Arrested' is not enough expression. They have been bludgeoned to death !!!!!!
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> Aye Aye
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> Hong Kong |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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International Narcotics Agenda Behind Myanmar Instability
2007 09 30
By Larry Chin | onlinejournal.com
For the past month, the military government of Myanmar has been the focus of increasingly strident demonstrations, resulting in violent military crackdowns in recent days. What must be noted is the Bush administration's open support for the dissidents, in conjunction with growing international (Western) support behind a coup attempt, and the likely parapolitical goals behind this agenda.
The demise of the Golden Triangle: bad for business
According to a report by Thomas Fuller of the International Herald Tribune, the Golden Triangle has, in recent years, lost its prominence as a narco-region. In fact, the legendary Triangle now accounts for as little as 5 percent of world opium supply, according to some estimates. [Notorious Golden Triangle loses sway in opium trade, Thomas Fuller, International Herald Tribune, September 11, 2007]
Not surprisingly, the Golden Crescent and Afghanistan now under control of the US and its drug-intelligence proxies, are by far and away the world�s number one opium suppliers, as well as the top overall drug producing region, dwarfing Colombia and the Golden Triangle.
In fact, the demise of the Golden Triangle in recent years can be traced to geostrategic developments that run counter to the agenda of international interests whose financial and banking system depends on the multi-billion dollar cash flows of the criminal drug trade
As noted by Fuller:
1. The United Nations credits Myanmar�s central government for leading opium eradication.
2. Militias with long-standing ties to the heroin business have also pushed eradication.
3. China has played a major role pressing opium growers to eradicate.
4. The Laotian government has led its own opium eradication campaign. Officials see the link between poverty and opium, and the fact that �it is mostly organized crime syndicates that profit.�
These narco-developments, parallel with 1) other financial and political reasons why a new Mynamar government would be preferred; 2) a fragile and teetering world economy facing numerous financial bubbles and insolvency; and 3) continued failure to control either the Middle East or contain the rising political and economic power of China, cast a different light on the sudden burst of interest on the part of the Bush administration to back a coup or regime change in Myanmar.
The Bush administration, the epitome of criminal political power, does not support �human rights.� It will utilize every means, including overt military force, to protect geostrategic interests that depend on the world drug trade.
The revitalization of the Golden Triangle drug trade, and the installation or support for an openly pro-US regime in Myanmar, benefits Western financial interests. Any geostrategic foothold in Southeast Asia also benefits efforts to contain China.
Copyright � 1998-2007 Online Journal
Article from: http://onlinejournal.com/artman
/publish/article_2473.shtml
Related: Bread and Butter Issues behind Myanmar Protests
Golden Triangle (Southeast Asia)
Notorious Golden Triangle loses sway in the opium trade
Bush at the UN: a war criminal lectures the world on �human rights� |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Location: $eoul
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:03 am Post subject: |
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If I was in the pub and having a chat, I think my answer would be the European Union and the United States, with a combined population of only 12% of the world, yet a combined GDP of 57.5% of world GDP. They've 795 million (generally very wealthy) people to whom Asian electrical product exports and others are reliant.
I want to scrutinize what those folks have said, mind you.
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Peter Tatchell:
Big business and multinational corporations. The big ones - mostly American - have more economic power and political clout than the democratically-elected governments of half the nations of the world.
This immense power is non-transparent, unaccountable and based on economic dictatorship. The political systems of democratic nations involve one-person, one-vote. In contrast, within the global economic system - including the economies of the so-called great democracies - the majority of people have no votes at all. Employees and consumers are economically disenfranchised. |
This writer ignores a few things�
(1) the assumption that voting for a political party in an election is the only voting system and, because the economic sphere lacks this, it follows it lacks a system of voting. Is that assumption correct? Consumers, for example, vote with their pockets. That companies are packed with workers is, arguably, a vote of confidence for that system.
(2) if there's demand out there for a democratic corporation that allows all its staff to vote on everything, the free market endorses this becoming hugely successful.
(3) Unlike countries, where it's much less possible to simply move from country to country to live, in the jobs market, people can leave if they don't like it and companies can (and should be able to) fire someone if they're not up to standard. Why not make countries more like companies and fire people who are doing a crap job, or no job at all? So � is the economic sphere the harsh, undemocratic thing he makes out?
(4) The writer says a reason to suppose the economic sphere is overly authoritarian is compared to something totally different - the country where everyone not only works but lives - when to me that sounds like a comparison between roast beef and the Eiffel Tower.
Peter Tatchell wrote: |
All the votes are held by major shareholders, directors and managers. They decide everything. This economic tyranny contradicts the modern democratic ethos.
We've partly won political democracy. Now we need to begin the battle for economic democracy as well.
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(5) Parliament/Congress also decide everything. Yes, we elect governments and if we don't like the current lot we can vote them out, but if Parliament wants to ban tomatoes, it can and will. Parliament is a dictator just like the shareholders and, unlike in a company, it's much more difficult to resign and bugger off elsewhere if you're unhappy. See (4)
(6) In a company, the primary motivation usually is to make money, whereas in a political democracy there are many other concerns..
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John Pilger: the Truman administration deserves special mention for dropping the atomic bombs and casting a permanent nuclear shadow over humanity |
I didn't disagree with what he said other than the above. It's a shameful argument for someone as bright as Pilger. In the 1st half of the 20th Century, there were two World Wars. We've had none since and the only instances of nukes being used are against the Japanese. You may contend whether the bombs should have been dropped, but the �permanent nuclear shadow�- as though that's bad - is utter balls. Were nukes, 10s of thousands of nukes, not in the equation, the USA and USSR would have almost certainly had a Third World War (they almost had one even with nukes in the equation) and nuclear power saving humanity from war, saving humanity from climate change, using the same processes that power our mother star, the Sun, is not something you wanna go around moaning about. Nuclear energy makes life possible. End of story. |
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