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Weigookin74
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Weigookin74
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 Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: Blood money here too. |
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| http://news.ca.msn.com/world/pakistan-slain-womans-husband-killed-1st-wife |
This is the article below::::::
LAHORE, Pakistan - The husband of a woman stoned to death in Pakistan killed his first wife four years ago, police and relatives said Thursday, a shocking twist both showing how complicated justice can be and how dangerous life is for women in the country.
A mob of family members, including her father and brothers, beat 25-year-old Farzana Parveen to death Tuesday with bricks stolen from a construction site in the eastern city of Lahore as onlookers stood by, authorities said. Initially, many in Pakistan offered their condolences to Parveen's husband, Mohammed Iqbal, after the killing as the family apparently didn't want her to marry him.
But Thursday, Zulfiqar Hameed, deputy inspector general for Punjab police, told The Associated Press that authorities arrested Iqbal for the October 2009 killing of his first wife, Ayesha Bibi. Hameed could not offer details about the slaying, but said the case was withdrawn after a family member forgave him.
Under Pakistani law, those charged with a slaying can see their criminal case dropped if family members of the deceased forgive them or accept so-called "blood money" offerings over the crime.
Reached by the AP at his village near the town of Jaranwala, Iqbal said he could not speak because he was praying at his second wife's grave. He did not respond to other requests for comment after that.
One of Iqbal's five children, Aurang Zeb, said his father killed his mother in 2009 over a dispute. He said his father was arrested but the children later forgave him and the case was withdrawn.
"We don't want to discuss whatever had happened in the past, but I confirm that we had forgiven our father Iqbal," Zeb told the AP, adding that his father was in a state of shock after his second wife's death.
Two of Iqbal's cousins also said he killed his first wife but said he had been forgiven by one of his sons.
Pakistan, home to some 180 million people, is an overwhelmingly Muslim nation, and the majority of its citizens long have been fairly conservative. Arranged marriages are the norm among conservative Pakistanis, and hundreds of women are murdered every year in so-called honour killings carried out by husbands or relatives as a punishment for alleged adultery or other illicit sexual behaviour that is perceived to bring shame upon her family.
Activists say "blood money" offerings often mean that crimes against women by their spouses or other family members are ignored.
Pakistan has one of the highest rates of violence against women globally. The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, a private group, said in a report last month that some 869 women were murdered in honour killings in 2013.
Pakistan's Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif condemned Farzana Parveen's slaying in a statement Thursday, calling it "intolerable." He called on authorities in Punjab province to find the remaining culprits.
Navi Pillay, the United Nations high commissioner for human rights, also strongly condemned the slaying, saying she didn't want to call it an honour killing as "there is not the faintest vestige of honour in killing a woman in this way." She called on Pakistan's government to stop the slayings.
"The fact that she was killed on her way to court, shows a serious failure by the state to provide security for someone who — given how common such killings are in Pakistan — was obviously at risk," Pillay said in a statement Wednesday.
U.S. State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki on Thursday welcomed comments by senior Pakistani leaders condemning "this heinous crime" and hoped the perpetrators would quickly be brought to justice. She said it was at least the third so-called honour killing reported in Pakistan this week.
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Ahmed reported from Islamabad. Associated Press writer Rebecca Santana in Islamabad contributed to this report. |
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jvalmer
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optik404
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Isn't the whole "blood money" system still used in most of Europe? |
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optik404
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Great, Korea is as modern and advanced as Pakistan. Hoo...ray? |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| Mr. BlackCat wrote: |
| Great, Korea is as modern and advanced as Pakistan. Hoo...ray? |
Mind blowing thread. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 8:31 am Post subject: |
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In America we could use a little blood money. We have one of the highest prison populations in the world, a judicial system that has become intertwined with the private prison and drug testing equipment industry, and a police and judiciary that has seemingly gone off the deep end.
For a simple fist fight, why not have someone pay the other person a grand and call it a day? Granted, there are flaws like long-term injuries that may not be noticed, but the idea that a scuffle should simply end at the police station with one guy forking over some money to the other isn't the worst one considering the alternatives out there.
That being said, for sexual assaults and the like, blood money should absolutely be done away with. Blood money- keep it for minor fist fights and low value damaging of property. Do away with it for aggravated assaults, sex crimes, and severe fraud, embezzlement, and bribery. |
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sml7285
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 8:57 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
In America we could use a little blood money. We have one of the highest prison populations in the world, a judicial system that has become intertwined with the private prison and drug testing equipment industry, and a police and judiciary that has seemingly gone off the deep end.
For a simple fist fight, why not have someone pay the other person a grand and call it a day? Granted, there are flaws like long-term injuries that may not be noticed, but the idea that a scuffle should simply end at the police station with one guy forking over some money to the other isn't the worst one considering the alternatives out there.
That being said, for sexual assaults and the like, blood money should absolutely be done away with. Blood money- keep it for minor fist fights and low value damaging of property. Do away with it for aggravated assaults, sex crimes, and severe fraud, embezzlement, and bribery. |
Criminal law vs. torts law. Huge difference that most don't realize exists.
The torts system exists to compensate the victims' injuries; the criminal system exists to enforce the law. Due to the existence of a civil court in the US, the blood money culture doesn't have to exist. Out of court civil case settlements are almost identical to blood money.
Criminal cases must be proven "beyond a reasonable doubt". Civil cases must be proven by "preponderance of evidence". In layman's terms, the evidence must suggest that defendant more likely than not was responsible for the crime.
This is how OJ Simpson was, in criminal court, found to be not guilty, but had to pay, as a result of the civil case, $40 Million to his ex-wife's family. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| sml7285 wrote: |
Criminal law vs. torts law. Huge difference that most don't realize exists.
The torts system exists to compensate the victims' injuries; the criminal system exists to enforce the law. Due to the existence of a civil court in the US, the blood money culture doesn't have to exist. Out of court civil case settlements are almost identical to blood money.
Criminal cases must be proven "beyond a reasonable doubt". Civil cases must be proven by "preponderance of evidence". In layman's terms, the evidence must suggest that defendant more likely than not was responsible for the crime.
This is how OJ Simpson was, in criminal court, found to be not guilty, but had to pay, as a result of the civil case, $40 Million to his ex-wife's family. |
That's not the point I was trying to make. In theory, that's how our system of law works- criminal court to deal with any criminal aspects, civil for damages. In practice we have an increasingly corrupt and bureaucratic criminal court and a civil system that blends a lawyer show, nuisance lawsuits, and endless bureaucracy. How much less would be on the docket and how many resources would be freed if things like simple fights were settled at the station.
Criminal court in the US- where getting in a fight can lead to the court charging you with a 10-year felony to force you to hire a lawyer simply so you can plea-bargain down to what would be the normal common sense charge of a simple fight resulting in a fine and probation. These judges and lawyers and prosecutors all know each other. It's just a money-making racket. |
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Weigookin74
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| Guess us English speaking countries have gone down our own path. You can't buy your way out of jail if you're guilty. Well, maybe in America. But, the other English speaking countres seem more cut and dry in comparison. |
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