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Canada's PM Heads North To Counter Russian Arctic Grab
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:56 pm    Post subject: Canada's PM Heads North To Counter Russian Arctic Grab Reply with quote

Canada's PM Heads North To Counter Russian Arctic Grab

IQALUIT, Canada (AFP) - Canada's prime minister set off Wednesday on an Arctic trek to bolster his nation's disputed claim to the frigid far north, one week after Russia planted a flag at the North Pole.



And Prime Minister Stephen Harper would be followed in the coming days by a large military force on a Canadian "Arctic sovereignty" mission off the coast of Baffin Island, west of Greenland.

Harper is expected to make several announcements related to Arctic sovereignty during the voyage, including the site for Canada's first Arctic deep water port.

At his first scheduled stop in Fort Simpson in the Northwest Territories, he would unveil plans for an expanded Nahanni National Park Reserve -- a UN world heritage site.

Then, on Friday, he is expected to meet up with some 800 Canadian soldiers, Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers and Inuit rangers training for drug busts and environmental disasters in the far north.

The three-million dollar expedition known as Operation Nanook involves a Coast Guard frigate, a navy ship and submarine, fighter jets and support aircraft operating in Frobisher Bay, Hudson Straight and Davis Strait.

It follows plans announced last month by Harper to build six to eight ice-breaking patrol ships to prevent trespass on Canada's northern lands and to reaffirm its claim to the disputed Arctic, at a cost of 7.1 billion dollars.

Canada, Russia, Denmark, Norway and the United States claim overlapping parts of 1.2 million square kilometers (460,000 square miles) of Arctic seabed, believed to hold 25 percent of the world's undiscovered oil and gas reserves.

The international rivalry in the region has heated up lately as energy reserves grow scarce in other parts of the world and as melting polar ice caps make the area more accessible for research and economic activity.

As well, time is running out for signatories to the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea to stake their claims to the region, as deadlines loom to prove their rights.

Russia ratified the treaty in 1997 and has until the end of this year to prove its claim. Canada has until 2013.

US President George W. Bush, meanwhile, has been pushing the US Congress to ratify the international pact to allow Washington to submit scientific data to the United Nations in pursuit of its own claim.

Last week, a Russian mini-submarine reached the bottom of the Arctic Ocean under the North Pole at a depth of 4,261 metres (13,980 feet), to carry out scientific tests and leave a Russian flag.

Tuesday, a US Coast Guard icebreaker was reportedly dispatched to the North Pole, via the Bering Sea.

The Russian flag-planting was immediately ridiculed by Ottawa and Washington, described by Canada's Foreign Minister Peter MacKay as a "15th century" stunt.

"Canada's sovereignty over the lands and waters of the Arctic is longstanding, well established and based on historic title," a spokesman for Canada's foreign affairs department told AFP.

Even so, Russian expedition leader Artur Chilingarov was greeted in Moscow on Tuesday with a military brass band and given a plush polar bear.

The doctrine of discovery was used during the quest for the "new world," entitling Europeans to claim unoccupied lands, or territories populated by pagans.

But many adventurers have planted flags at the North Pole long before the Russian arrival last week, including Ottawa resident Jack MacKenzie, who told the Ottawa Citizen: "We're (now) in a new race for a new world."

In April 1999, MacKenzie, then 77, became the oldest person to trek to the North Pole.

The first person to have claimed to reach the top of the world was American explorer Frederick Cook in 1908. But his claim is often dismissed in favor of another American, Robert Peary, who arrived at the North Pole the following year.
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bonanzabucks



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good for Harper. He's actually taking a stand on things and doesn't want the Russians to bully Canada around.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are Moscow's mood and ultimate motives and intentions here?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
What are Moscow's mood and ultimate motives and intentions here?


I think Russia is using the ABM issue as a pretext to rebuild its military. Clearly it wants to exert control over more distant resources in disputed regions. It needs a feared military to exert that control. Russia can't have fearful respect without a potent military. It can't have a potent military without cash. It tried last century and bankrupted itself.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
Clearly it wants to exert control over more distant resources in disputed regions...


Needs a warm-water port and a blue-water navy to break out, though. That is why Moscow/Russia has historically moved to take or dominate Constantinople/Istanbul (Crimean War, for example) -- to get into the Med.

I guess its strategic dreams have changed. Just wondering if anybody has anything concrete on this at this time.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
mindmetoo wrote:
Clearly it wants to exert control over more distant resources in disputed regions...


Needs a warm-water port and a blue-water navy to break out, though. That is why Moscow/Russia has historically moved to take or dominate Constantinople/Istanbul (Crimean War, for example) -- to get into the Med.

I guess its strategic dreams have changed. Just wondering if anybody has anything concrete on this at this time.


It does have a blue water navy, although it's falling apart. Why a warm water port? I know there's a pretty nasty choke point trying to get into the Atlantic, although it has plenty of places along the pacific coast. I think most of its current offshore energy resources and possible disputes are in the pacific.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
Why a warm water port?


Logistics. Ice, especially at certain times of the year, for example. Russia has always lusted for that Med outlet via Turkey. -- or something similar somewhere else. Arctic naval bases are problematic, which is one of the reasons I do not get Russia's interest, on strategic-military grounds, then.

Must be about natural resources that they think Siberia lacks or that someone else wants (who they can potentially sell it to), I imagine.

Russia has never been a naval power in any real sense of the word, however. Just ask the Japanese.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Canada should claim all of Russia based on the same logic--the underwater ridge starts in Canadian territory and extends to Russia.
Keys to the Kremlin please.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trip is a waste of time.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alias wrote:
Trip is a waste of time.


How so?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Alias wrote:
Trip is a waste of time.


How so?


A photo op for some meaningless chest thumping with regards to the meaningless Russian act of last week. Big deal.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not believe Moscow thinks it meaningless. I wonder what they are thinking, though. Any thoughts on their mood and ultimate motives and intent?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

True. I do not know if Putin thinks it is meaningless or not. However, since this isn't the 16th century placing a flag somewhere no longer constitutes ownership. Some in the media have overhyped these events.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's really too bad that we can't have access to alternative alternate realities where Canada is a giant island state with no superpower to guarantee their ambitions. This is nothing more than a display of "My big brother can beat you up."
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That reminds me of an article I read years ago arguing that the US should invade Canada and then withdraw after Canada wakes up and (re)discovers its gonads.

Sort of a self-help invasion proposal. Maybe the Russians will succeed in waking up our sleeping lil brother.
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