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| The Earth is 6,000 years old (biblical approach). |
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| The Earth is more than 6,000 years old (i.e. a few billion). |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!
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 Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:54 pm Post subject: The Earth: 6,000 years old or much more than that? |
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Which do you think? I just checked out a science book here at my school (in Korean) and noticed that it promotes the 6,000 year theory. Hey, I consider myself to be Christian. However, I am not stupid enough to believe that with all of the factual evidence that we have, that the Earth can only be 6,000 years old. What is your take?
I mean really, days during the time that the Earth was being created could have stood for much longer than our present day 24hr. cycle. One day could have been millions, if not billions of years (which is what I believe). There are so many parables, hyperboles, and methaphors used in The Bible, who is to say which one is correct?
I hope to get some intelligent responses from this as this is a quesiton that has been lingering around in my mind for some time.
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| I just checked out a science book here at my school (in Korean) and noticed that it promotes the 6,000 year theory |
Do you work at a christian school? |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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There are many, many lines of evidence that indicate the world and the universe are billions of years old. The most obvious is light. We see galaxies that are millions of light years away.
Second is radiometric dating. There are about a dozen ways of dating the atomic decay in rocks. Take the same sample, apply different dating methods, they all arrive at roughly the same age (there are error bars of course). If one method is flawed, then it would seem odd all methods cross check.
Also there are geological features that would take millions of years to form and are impossible to form by a great flood (which creationists use to explain canyons etc.) The cliffs of Dover are a good example.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Cliffs_of_Dover#Geology
If the world and universe were only 6,000 years old, there should be strong evidence for it. There are a lot of flawed arguments. (Dust on the moon, salt in the sea). Most of them are compiled by convicted tax fraud Kent Hovind and all based on a moron's understanding of basic science:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood.html
Schools are free to teach their kids the world is 6,000 years old but when they hit university and actually have to study real science, they're going to be in for a big surprise. Or they might just decided to avoid that satanic science and its lies. Hell, there's no money to be made in science, right? Better open a christian hagwon! |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
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| I just checked out a science book here at my school (in Korean) and noticed that it promotes the 6,000 year theory |
Do you work at a christian school? |
yep, SDA (though, i am not SDA) |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Just go to the library and put it back under fiction. |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| i wonder if the one vote for 6,000 years old was made in the interest of irony? |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| We know more about cosmology than the primitive Israelites who wrote the book of Genesis. I don't know why anything they had to say on the subject needs to be seriously considered as a 'theory.' |
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IncognitoHFX
Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Anyone who thinks the universe is only 6000 years old is a retard. End of story. |
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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Schools are free to teach their kids the world is 6,000 years old but when they hit university and actually have to study real science, they're going to be in for a big surprise |
Ditto on those kids homeschooled by god-squad parents. We have some on our street and they are sadly lacking in social skills--stuff they would learn if they were with other children, and adults with different perspectives besides their parents' myopic (and not formally educated) view on the world. They're also the most fearful, dependent kids I've met in a long time--mom leaves them alone in their house to briefly go one street over for an errand and they're sobbing hysterically at our door about "where's my mommy, please help me find my mommy."
Doesn't matter that mommy explained to them she'd be right back in 5 minutes.
I feel bad for them because I know when they hit public high school (which is the plan) they won't have a clue how to cope with other kids/teachers in a classroom setting. Let alone the content. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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No one really knows either way, actually.
It takes a highly pompous a55 to say he/she knows for sure. I want to vote neither. |
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IncognitoHFX
Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Schools are free to teach their kids the world is 6,000 years old but when they hit university and actually have to study real science, they're going to be in for a big surprise |
Ditto on those kids homeschooled by god-squad parents. We have some on our street and they are sadly lacking in social skills--stuff they would learn if they were with other children, and adults with different perspectives besides their parents' myopic (and not formally educated) view on the world. They're also the most fearful, dependent kids I've met in a long time--mom leaves them alone in their house to briefly go one street over for an errand and they're sobbing hysterically at our door about "where's my mommy, please help me find my mommy."
Doesn't matter that mommy explained to them she'd be right back in 5 minutes.
I feel bad for them because I know when they hit public high school (which is the plan) they won't have a clue how to cope with other kids/teachers in a classroom setting. Let alone the content. |
A really prominent atheist is campaigning that situations such as this are no less than child abuse. I think the same. They're too young to pick a religion of their own (or none at all) so they're helplessly indoctrinated into the religion of their parents and not allowed to interact with other kids in healthy and normal ways.
Its disturbing to say the least, and it should not be allowed to happen. I know quite a few people who were raised like this, and grew up to be resentful, jaded, disturbed and with deep seeded issues.
I know other people like this who don't appear to have issues on the outside, but when you speak to them you realize that the scope of their perspective is thin and their personalities are like cardboard given the years of conditionning they've lived through.
I had a friend in university who was raised by Christian fundies, and only allowed to have friends their parents picked out (a la other church kids who they approved of). They also weren't allowed to go anywhere without permission, and had a lot of difficulty moving out at age 18 (my friend's parents thought it was too young and rather she stayed home until 25).
Needless to say, after a couple of conversations I learned that she had no idea what sex was, didn't know anything about contemporary culture, didn't know anything about rights, laws, and especially women's rights. It was later revealed that she had never heard of the Holocaust before, World War II and dozens of other world events that we're so used to hearing about. Her parents thought they were depressing so they didn't include them in their curriculum. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| djsmnc wrote: |
No one really knows either way, actually.
It takes a highly pompous a55 to say he/she knows for sure. I want to vote neither. |
The other vote is merely "more than 6,000 years". It says nothing definite (although it does give a vague Sagan billion figure). Nothing about that vote says "for sure". But there's a heck of a lot of solid evidence that says the world is more than 6,000 years. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| IncognitoHFX wrote: |
| Needless to say, after a couple of conversations I learned that she had no idea what sex was, didn't know anything about contemporary culture, didn't know anything about rights, laws, and especially women's rights. It was later revealed that she had never heard of the Holocaust before, World War II and dozens of other world events that we're so used to hearing about. Her parents thought they were depressing so they didn't include them in their curriculum. |
I had a good catholic filipino friend with a rather sheltered sister. His sister became a nurse. When she was doing her nursing school intern type stuff in a hospital maternity ward she was shocked, shocked I say, to discover some women have babies but don't have husbands. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| djsmnc wrote: |
No one really knows either way, actually.
It takes a highly pompous a55 to say he/she knows for sure. I want to vote neither. |
The other vote is merely "more than 6,000 years". It says nothing definite (although it does give a vague Sagan billion figure). Nothing about that vote says "for sure". But there's a heck of a lot of solid evidence that says the world is more than 6,000 years. |
djsmnc votes that the Earth is younger than 6000 years. |
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