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[Diana]

The United Nations has told Sudan to curb marauding Janjaweed militia or face sanctions, but Human Rights Watch said Wednesday that fresh atrocities has occurred and disproved the Sudanese claims that security was returning to the western region. According to a report, "In many rural areas and small towns in Darfur, government forces and the Janjaweed militias continue to routinely rape and assault women and girls when they leave the periphery of the camps and towns." Janjaweed raped six girls aged 13 to 16 and beat other women at a militia checkpoint in western Darfur in July, it said.

This problem started in February, 2003 when the Janjaweed militias attacked African villagers. It is over a year now, and the government of Sudan hasn't done anything. In fact, human rights group are saying that the government is doing the raping and killing alongside the Janjaweed militias. The United Nations said in a statement from Geneva on that the Janjaweed were still attacking some of the more than one million people displaced by fighting in remote Darfur, and that Sudan had carried out fresh helicopter attacks. Human Rights Watch said Khartoum was absorbing the Janjaweed into its security forces instead of disarming them.

50,000 people is now dead and over 2 million are displaced. The UN has given Sudan a month to disarm the militants otherwise they will face sanctions. The Sudanese are being killed. Genocide is taking place, and the UN thinks sanctions is the answer to solve the problem. This is a real humanitarian crisis. So, where is France? This is their golden opportunity to shine. International community, innocent people are getting killed and young girls are being raped. Where are you? Where are your worldwide protest and condemnation of these killings? Come on.....where are your posters, placcards, and banners? Start your worldwide protest against these atrocities. Let me guess. You must be waiting for the US to lead a unilateral strike without UN approval just like they did in Yugoslavia to stop genocide and take out Milosevic.

[user8192]

The "international community" is a group of immoral Liberals. They'll do nothing about Darfur, just like the did nothing about Saddam. The Liberals word-wide are too busy protesting the "Nazi" Bush. They don't care about a few tens of thousands of blacks that are being raped and burned alive. The Yugoslavians were fortunate to have white skin.

The Americans are not going to do anything about Darfur either. If Bush goes to another war, the Liberals are going to finish him off.

[Nani]

Well,it seems that you have all your facts straight.The only problem is,I doubt that you ever set foot in Sudan,to really know what is going on.I suppose you take everything that the media says to be law,which isn't surprising since most Americans seem to have that same concept.
I read another reply that you posted,talking about the beauty of your religion and how kind God is.Don't get me wrong,I do agree with you on that..so what I don't get is,why are you now turning on the French?What happened to all that,be nice to others..we are all brothers etc?You may mean well,since you seem to care about all the poor Sudanese civilians that are being tortured every single day in this inhumain situation,but I am a Sudanese and the thought of your country madam invading us makes me sad beyond reason.America needs to stop thinking that it can solve everything because it can't.You wouln't like it if I barged into your house and told you how to raise your kids so that they stop fighting at night.I am not defending the situation in my country,sadly we never had a government that cared enough about its people..all they care about is power,but I guess that is how it is everywhere in the world..greed and power truly corrupt.
If you are happy with all that innocent blood that your country has helped shed in the past and will continue to do so in the future..then that is your life and that is your decision.
I do not mean to insult you in anway or belittle your opinion,you may not understand where I am coming from.You were never invaded or endured a famine.
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[Diana]

America cannot solve the problems of the world, but the international community seems to think so.

Who contained Saddam for 12 years? Who is containing North Korea? When civil war broke out in Liberia, who did the international community turn to? The international community has protested the war against Iraq and some even make the claim that the people of Iraq themselves should be the ones to take out Saddam. Okay, so then when Liberia broke out in civil war, why call on the US to intervene? Whatever happened to the belief that the people of the country should be the ones to take out their own leaders? There is now a humanitarian crisis in Sudan, and France now has the opportunity to help. And where is the international community. They did such a wonderful job in protesting the US-led war in Iraq because they didn't want to see innocent Iraqis dying. Well, innocent people in Sudan are being killed by the Arabs and the government. Where are the world-wide protestors?

And you are wrong! My island has been invaded. I am not from the US mainland. I am a Pacific Islander who lives in Guam, my homeland. And it was the Americans who liberated us.

[Nani]

Well I'm glad that you are so happy with the outcome of your country,but I do not care to hear your opinion on what should happen in mine.
The only crisis that your heroes are seeing in my country are that there are so many rich minerals that these poor people won't know what to do with.If you think that they are just doing this out of the goodness of their heart...then I feel sad for you.
All the countries you have named are rich in some way or the other.Why aren't you reffering to Rwanda..do you know where that is?It is so poor,and there has been a war going on there forever..same that is going on in Sudan now.Only difference is that Rwanda has nothing to offer in terms of payment for their so called liberation.
The only reason,that Sudan now is such a huge issue for your heroes is because,the instability in Darfur has caused a setback for the American companies who wanted to start operating in Sudan,after years of sanctions.Other European and Asian countries were benefiting from Sudan,so the US wanted a piece of the cake too.
Speaking of cake,I'm hungry.See ya.
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[pugachevV]

Nani, sitting safe in Brussels, as you are, how can you know what is going on in your country?
What about all the people who are being killed mutilated or displaced by the bandits that are running it?
Any minerals you might have (such as?) are a secondary consideration and I should point out it is the United Nations that is threatening to do something if Sudan doesn't smarten up, not the USA.
So before you sneer at Diana maybe you should get off your comfortable backside in Brussels ands take a look at what's really happening in that third world dump you used to call home.

[Nani]

If I happen to disagree with anyone's opinion here Mr.Know-it-all,that does not mean I am sneering at them.
Oh,and the "dump"that you were reffering to,I was there a month ago and I am heading back there after two weeks.This is not an explaination for your sake,I couldn't care less what you think,this is simply to let you know that I do know what I am talking about.
You want me to name the minerals..here's a few,uranium,gold,iron and ohh..you ready for this?OIL..these are only a few,so before you start discarding other peoples countries and opinions mr high and mighty,it won't hurt you to know what you are talking about.
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[asterix]

When you're part of the problem, Nani, the only thing left to do is bluster.

[Diana]