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[hirokayamasaki]

�Whether it�s an American ship or a Russian ship, both of them are made in Chinlla!��. This word uttered in the movie Armageddon seems to me to be making a right statement. It�s really funny to see the people demonstrating in the streets of big cities in China, shouting � Boycott Japanese products!� taking pictures with cellular phones with camera functions almost all of them have the logos of Japanese firms. But wait! Where were these Japanese products made? Well, of course, most of them were made in China. Actually now it�s not too much to say that it�s extremely hard to find genuine Japanese products that don�t have a label saying �Made in China.� Let�s imagine what will happen to uncountable people in China working at production factories of Japanese firms, if they themselves stopped producing �Japanese products�. Anyway, it �s really funny , don�t you think?

[Bob S.]

It's actually "chip", as in computer chip.

But, yeah, for a bit of irony, see here:
Chinese workers protest job losses going to China
http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/regstate/articles/1467217.html

[element105]

[asterix]

When did China become the arbiter of what is taught in Japanese schools?
Hirokayamasaki is correct in saying that China derives a lot of income from the manufacture of goods from Japanese companies. If Japan finds another source to manufacture these goods China will be the poorer for it.
In any case, as Henry Ford famously and honestly said, "History is bunk."
Given that Japanese students have access to the internet, it is a complete waste of time for Japanese education authorities to try to lie about the history of Japan during WW2.
The truth is out there.

[element105]

[asterix]

You won't prevent the war from happening again by stupid demonstrations encouraged by the Chinese government. This is much more likely to inflame feelings on both sides and will therefore lead you closer to war.
Or couldn't you figure that out?

[hirokayamasaki]

Dear element105

You wrote,

You neglected the fact that the last straw,which made this protest against Japanese firms and products eventually came publicly,is the Japanese new history school book and the firms which support the new history school book.The Japanese whiten history school which deny the war crimes(the massacre,comfort women,etc) caused recently protests occur in China and S.Korea.I know the prosters were calling on boycotting the new-history-schoolbook-supportting firms' products.

>>> You neglected the sheer fact about the kids in Japanese schools now. Maybe unlike Chinese kids as well as Korean kids who have been long taught that respecting their teachers at school and respecting what they teach is one of the most important element that kids are absolutely supposed to acquire. Come here to Japan and take a look at what�s actually going in the classes of primary schools and junior high schools. Kids� minds are filled with something else, such as new TV game softs. Who that has absolutely no interest in his or her own country�s past history could be interested in what bad things it did to other countries in the long past before they were born? Young people in Japan are now getting more and more �at this moment� conscious. �Text books? Wow, I didn�t know there were such things. Anyway does it mention how to win the fighting game of SEGA?� , that's what they'll say. Come here to Japan and ask one of school kids playing in a game center, showing the world map, �Where�s Beijing? And what are there in Beijing and what happened there in the past ?� You�ll know what I mean. Whatever text books they are provided free, they don�t read them. Whatever contents they have, good or bad, they just pay no attention to them. What�s the reason of making a big fuss over some books that few kids actually read? Kids here are absolute TV generation, though. They see Chinese mobs attacking Japanese restaurants. They ask their parents, �What�s going on?� Though they don�t show any interest in the books taught at their schools, but they show their strong interest what they see on TV. �Oh, Mom, I don�t want to go to such a country as China. People are so violent and raw.� And they surely will begin to think China Town is after all not their favorite place, even if the food is good.

And let me remind you Miss hiroka,it is not due to mercies or regerts to WWII crimes that the Japanese businessmen founded their factories in China,the only reason is they could gain much more money from which China offered them,the low taxes,the cheap labors,abundant resource and great market.In fact,Japan've benefited much more than China from this kind of surfacely mutual commerce and,I bet the western investors are eager to supply the gaps if the Japanese are going to leave,so it will hardly impact much on China's economy,and I can't imagine by then how Japan will be looked like,but definitely worse than its 90's.

>>>I was talking about the fact of life now. Who sets up a business because of mercy or kindness with such a principle �Well, we have to save these people for the expression of our great repent by setting up factories so that many people can get their jobs.� ? Chinese work force is cheap, much much cheaper than in Japan. That�s why many companies set up their factories in China. What�s wrong with it? Whatever intention may be or may have been behind how business is being done, it doesn�t matter as far as it does some good to the people involved in it.

I wonder what Chinese people(government) want to get from this fuss. Monetary compensation with which poor multitude can live one or two days ? The reason of so many people living in extreme poverty now is not the responsibility of any other countries. It�s the responsibility of their own government. They must be dissatisfied with huge amount of economic aide. They must be dissatisfied with having their jobs. They must be dissatisfied with receiving the know-how of high tech industry. Maybe they are dissatisfied until all of Japanese extinct from the earth. Does that what they want? But remember if such a thing really happened, the people that extinct would never be only Japanese. Most of the people in this inter-related world would extinct. And of course, the people of the country that can never get out of the ghosts of past memory will be one of them, the extincted.

[element105]

[element105]

[asterix]

Don't be ridiculous.

[element105]

when you cant reply,keep silent,its no need to get my known your existence

[asterix]

To argue that a Japanese history book will lead to an attack on America by Japan, is ridiculous.
That is my reply to you.
Perhaps you can explain to us how it would come about?
It would be interesting to explore the extent of your paranoia.

[element105]

[element105]

Dear Mr.Admiral,you're right,that's what my pearl harbor means.From the pics that I posted above everyone can see what happens in Japan annual 15 Aug.How dare these people doing that publicly?We can also notice there are many onlookers who seem quite enjoying the march.Is that a proper thing to a country who would have to be remorseful to the past crimes?You live in Germany,I want to know whether the neo-nazis dares marching like that and the German government does nothing with them?

[asterix]

The Japanese can march on Aug 15th in their old imperial uniforms because Japan is a free country.
China is not.
Chairman Mao was responsible for the deaths of somewhere between 30 and 80 million. of his own people.
Where is your protest about that?
What about the student protests for democracy in Tiananmen square that the Chinese army brutally suppressed?
Where is your protest about that?
When your own country is blameless you can criticise Japan.