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Tense after( believe) (thought)

 
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Learner33



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:42 pm    Post subject: Tense after( believe) (thought) Reply with quote

Hello,

Which is correct please:
1.I couldn't believe he had said that.
1.I couldn't believe he said that.

2.I thought he chose the wrong number.
2.I thought he had chosen the wrong number.

I really can't decide which one to choose (the past simple or the past perfect) especially with these verbs (thought/believed) because they tend to precede the other past verb and thus shouldn't we always use the past perfect?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:32 am    Post subject: tenses Reply with quote

1.a I couldn't believe he had said that.
1.b I couldn't believe he said that.

2.a I thought he chose the wrong number.
2.b I thought he had chosen the wrong number.

I really can't decide which one to choose (the past simple or the past perfect) especially with these verbs (thought/believed) because they tend to precede the other past verb and thus shouldn't we always use the past perfect?


The past perfect is typical when you want to emphasize that event A in the past preceded event B in the past. So 1a would emphasize that you had a past disbelief (you may or may not still hold to this past belief), and your past disbelief came after his remark. .... for instance, he said it on a Monday, and you only heard about his remark (from your friend) the following Thursday.

1b would tend to emphasize that his saying it, and your disbelief were contemporaneous. "I could not believe it when he walked in the door ... I did not think he would come to the party !"

"I was astonished when Sarah announced that she was pregnant."

Although, native speakers would still use conversationally 1b, as well as 1a, if event A preceded event B (i.e. even if the past events were not contemporaneous). The niceties of the past perfect are often disregarded in everyday speech, even by the well-educated.

1b would also be used on the notion that the "had" is elliptical... (as in ellipsis, you can look this up if it is not familiar to you).
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