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Chan-Seung Lee



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:16 am    Post subject: inversion Reply with quote

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1.To this list must be added the following interesting examples.
2.A bargain it was, at that price.
3.Not a word did she say all day long.
4.In vain did he try to persuade her.


Someone introduced the above examples as 'inversion'.

I think that #1 is wrong and instead 'To this list must the following interesting examples be added.' is correct. But I'm not certain.

I think that #2 is incorrect and instead 'A bargain was it, at that price.' is right. But I am not sure.

I think that #3 is not correct and instead 'A word she didn't say all day long.' is right. But I am not certain.

I think that #4 is wrong and instead 'In vain try he to persuade her.' is right. But I am not sure.

Please let me know if my opion is wrong and why.

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. "To this list must be added the following interesting examples" is correct inversion; your version will work to emphasize "examples" over "be added," but most people would probably use "must be added" as in the original sentence.

2. "A bargain it was, at that price" is correct. It is inversion of "It was a bargain at that price," which could also be written, "At that price, it was a bargain." So this is sort of a double inversion. But "A bargain was it, at that price" is not natural.

3. "Not a word did she say all day long" is also a correct inversion of "She did not say a word all day long." Sorry, but your sentence is not a natural inversion.

4. "In vain did he try to persuade her" is also a good inversion. A native speaker would not say "In vain try he to persuade her" because "he try to persuade her" is ungrammatical to begin with. "In vain tried he to persuade her" might be acceptable in a poem or in something aspiring to be poetic, but in everyday speech and writing, it would look strange.

Hope this helps.
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Chan-Seung Lee



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:50 am    Post subject: wait a moment CP! Reply with quote

Thanks CP!

A few months ago, you told me that 'So great have the complaints been that some companies have taken measures to improve the human links between machines and customers.' is right rather than 'So great have been the complaints that some companies have taken measures to improve the human links between machines and customers.'

According to your theory, 'To this list must the following interesting examples be added.' is right rather than #1.

I'm a little confused. Can you explain the difference between your earlier teaching and present teaching?

Thanks.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:38 pm    Post subject: cp Reply with quote

CP!
I'm looking forward to your reply.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:26 pm    Post subject: Re: wait a moment CP! Reply with quote

Chan-Seung Lee wrote:
Thanks CP!

A few months ago, you told me that 'So great have the complaints been that some companies have taken measures to improve the human links between machines and customers.' is right rather than 'So great have been the complains that some companies have taken measures to improve the human links between machines and customers.'

According to your theory, 'To this list must the following interesting examples be added.' is right rather than #1.

I'm a little confused. Can you explain the difference between your earlier teaching and present teaching?

Thanks.

Well, I'm not sure that I posed any theory. I just said that I thought most speakers would use "must be added" rather than "must . . . be added."

The earlier inversion of "complaints have been so great" is not exactly parallel to the inversion of "examples must be added to this list," so I'm not sure why no. 1 would not be right.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:31 am    Post subject: one more Reply with quote

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1.She has been rich since 2000.
---> Rich has been she since 2000.
2.She has been so rich that her child have taken measures to live like king. ---> So rich has she been that her child have taken measures to live like king.


Thanks for your reply CP!

English is not my language, so I think I misunderstood your teaching.
To make your teaching organized I made the above examples for 'inversion'. Please correct my inversions above if any errors.

Thanks.
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Mary W. Ng



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:13 pm    Post subject: Re: inversion Reply with quote

The normal word order in declarative sentences is SV, SVO, or SVC. In inverted sentences the word order is changed. However, we cannot freely place the sentence elements in any order we like. It is simply not done.
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1.She has been rich since 2000.
---> Rich has been she since 2000.

First of all, inversions must not sound unnatural. I think these are some possible inversions for sentence 1:
A. Since 2000 has she been rich? (interrogative sentence)
B. Since 2000 has she been rich! (exclamatory sentence)

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2.She has been so rich that her child have taken measures to live like king. ---> So rich has she been that her child have taken measures to live like king.

As for the inversion of this sentence, the sentence elements are placed correctly but the sentence doesn't make sense. Here is one that does:
"So bold have the robbers become that they are robbing in broad daylight.'

Let me explain why the following sentences are correct:
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1.To this list must be added the following interesting examples.

Inversion is used to give emphasis to the subject. The subject the following interesting examples is placed at the end of the sentence for emphasis.

Quote:
2.A bargain it was, at that price.

Inversion is used to give emphasis to the subject complement. The subject complement a bargain is placed in the first position.

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3.Not a word did she say all day long.

Inversion is used in negative sentences. The subject she follows the auxiliary verb did.

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4.In vain did he try to persuade her.

Inversion is used to draw attention to the activity in question. The subject he follows the auxiliary verb did.

I hope this post helps to clarify some of your questions. Laughing
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