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[Friedrich]

But not all the Japanese worship war ciminals in ww2.
The left in Japan claim they should apologize to countries they invaded.
Unfortunately, the power is always in the hand of the right.

[Isabelle]

I think there isn't a perfect person, of course there isn't a perfect country, too.
We know, for a person, if our behavior hearts other person's feelings, we should say sorry.
This is still right for a country.
we think much of the attitude.
If you have sincerity in you apology, all of the world can realize.
The bad attitude of Japan and the recent bad behavior can show sth. to the world.
please notice the attitude of German!!!
Do you remember the reason that the prime minister of Japan can't go to take part in the 60 anniversary for antiwar victory.
He said that there wasn't a airplane for him to Russian!!!
Maybe he also felt the reason is so badly.
At last he want to Russian, maybe they bought a new airplane for this journey.
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[pugachevV]

If the people who did the atrocity apologise, it will be meaningful.
But how can the grandchildren of those men apologise for something their grandfathers did?
It does not mean anything, so demanding an apology is merely a Chinese government attempt to embarrass Japan.
It is probably an attempt to focus attention away from something else.
You should all just forget about it, or at least forgive it, just as the Germans and the English have done.
What good can possibly come from the present situation of annoying each other?

[Isabelle]

Now the bad phase is made by the premier of Japan.
Because he continueS to visit the Yasukuni Shrine (靖国神社) where the war criminals of the Second World War are venerated.
The grandson maybe need not appologize for what his grandfather had done.
We never ask the grandson to say sorry for his grandfather, we only ask the grandson to appologize for what himself have done to us.
(1) they must stop visit the Yasukuni Shrine.
(2)they must stop falsify the history.
(3)they must evacuate from our Chinese south islands.
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[asterix]

1.) Not all people buried in Yasukuni shrine are war criminals and they have already paid the price for their actions - they are dead. Do you want to dig them up and kill them again?

2.) All history is tailored by all government to make them look good. Yours is no different. It is probably one of the worst offenders, in fact.

3.) Aha! Now we come to what it's all about - China is looking for an excuse to occupy these disputed lumps of rock, just as they are looking for an excuse to occupy Taiwan.

Chinese people should wake up and smell the coffee before your government gets you into a war to save face.

[Isabelle]

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[pugachevV]

Yasukuni shrine is honouring 2.5 million Japanese who died for their country. There are only 14 war criminals in it. Should the Japanese prime minister ignore the other 2,499,986?
I don't think so.

[Isabelle]

[color=red]only 14 war criminals[/color]
Do you think only 14 war criminals can killed [color=blue]300,000 [/color]people and raped [color=brown]20.000 [/color]people only in one month?
Please remember they are but[color=blue] aggressor[/color] not the fighters for guarding your country against aggression.
Of course there is a different between dominating and compelled.
But all are wrong, do you think so?
I think these people that have conscience was torturous when they were asked to kill the Chinese without arm.
So there are some old Japanese solders who took part in the invasion into china come to china to shrift for what they had done to china.
Wo can forgive them. because they who have conscience are victims for their goverment's ambition.

[pugachevV]

In every war civilians are killed.
The British and Germans deliberately bombed each other's civilian population.
Soldiers, hardened by war often kill civilians
Comrade Mao killed many civilians.
Comrade Stalin killed civilians by the million
Perhaps you can see why war is such a bad idea.

It is an important part of the Japanese culture to honour their ancestors.
You can do nothing about the government of Japan.

Is it an important part of Chinese culture to whine about past wrongs?
I don't think so, but it may suit the government of China.

[Isabelle]

you said:"Comrade Mao killed many civilians."
I feel you are so ignorant.
From this I can find you don't know our chinese history.
you can't different beteween the soldier and the civilians at all.
But from this we can easyily find that you Japanese think the army should killed the civilians without arm.
In our China it is disgraceful to kill the people without arm.

[Harmony]

Hello,

Many complex issues have been addressed in this thread and all participants have made good points.

I'd like to make a contribution by recommending the following website to anyone who wishes to learn the facts about the Chinese occupation of Tibet:

Tibet: Proving Truth from Facts - http://www.tibet.com/WhitePaper/index.html

Each of the thirteen sections, from the preface to the final section, Quest for Solution, is important and well worth reading.

From the preface:

[muneyuki]

Every country has done something horrible. Every country did something wrong. Of course China and Japan are. I think that it is almost impossible for Prime Minister Koizumi to go Yasukuni shrine, because of politic reason. Not only Yasukuni but also other problems like textbook, （尖閣列島）（魚釣島）, oil development, and so on. Arguing each other makes nothing. We must search new ways to improve the relationship.

[winniebear2003]

If Germen worship Hitler today, would it be a big deal?

well, i never think of it this way before, but it really worths our consideraton.

[pugachevV]

I'm sorry if it comes as a shock to you isabelle, but Chairman Mao is said to be responsible for the deathes of 30 million of his own people.
I suppose you can find that out if Chairman Mao's successors allow you to access www.Google.com.

[yingxionglover123]

I am a fresh here, to be honost. However, I was sort of empressed by the hot debate among many speakers. As a chinese, I highly disagree with Japan's visiting the shring which indicates insults against china. But, on my own's view, the point is how can we, through which way, inform the japan government what they have been doing is wrong and how to make correct their behaveior reasonably instead of boycott. No doubt, China is a great country with a considerable long history. the problems are, how to make China a even more respectful country in the world. I personaly think this is the way things were tackled.