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[dduck]

[Hala]

" I would be true, for there are those who trust me;
I would be pure, for there are those who care;
I would be stong, for there is much to suffer;
I would be brave, for there is much to dare."
_Howard Arnold Walter
Diana look at the bright side, look at the pepole who want peace. They take their children to the street asking for peace.
Diana , love reduce love. Violence reduce violence.

[Diana]

[wing]

I agree with you, Diana.
Since the the 1993 signing of the Oslo Accords, Palestinian terrorists still killed Israeli people. The peaceful pact does not bring peace to both parties, but haven't the Palestinians agree to end the violence, prevent hostile propaganda and such to honor their commitments?


Too bad that "bomb-them-with-love" method has no effect on them. They have not taken the chance of a life time to suspend the hatred and revenge of ages. Althought Israel maintains tremendous power but are of little importance in day-to-day terrorism. The episode has already told us that Arafat is a documented liar. Treaties and agreements are not worth a pound in his and most Palestinian eyes.


"Let's talk about love" is really easier said than done. We have never ever lived in a world that they have had for a long long time. We don't know how many sacrifices of lives can earn how long the time is in peace. If I were an Israeli resident, I personally had no guts to wait for them to kill me, and before that try to peach the importance of love.


No one has said there is no hope, Iain. Diana just said "What else is there left to do?" I don't think you try to listen to her but quite misunderstand what she meant to say and build an assumption on it. Good listener should be mutual. Palestinians seem not to be like good listeners. On the other hand, Israel only knows there is no way to treat the underdogs as human beings.


Hala, no one here wants war as long as you remember. And I assure you that no one would like to look the world that is purple. What Diana said is just a matter of fact so far as I am concerned. I am not swimming in my own purple fishbowl. Up to now who have ever opposed to practise such an idealistic approach?

Diana, I wanted to write to you about this earlier than this moment. Sorry that I was not in the mood.

Regards

[Hala]

Dear Diana
First of all, I didn't say you reduce violence. When I said violence reduce violence, I mean that, The war against Iraq it will reduce more terrorisms.
And I know you are tolerance and that what I like about you. And if you remember I told you that before" I like you".I have nothing against you Diana.
Dear Wing
Let's go to this way: If you are Palestinian, so already Israel occupied your home, and refuged your people, and killed so many members of your family, and you can't go to your school because Israel army closed,and you leader steal your money, and now you are with no hope ,no love, no food, no home. And if you think that kind of propaganda. You can read about this in Jewish side who are against occupation:www.jewsagainsttheoccupation.org
so, you are lucky and me because we are not Israeli resident, not Paletinian too.

[wing]

Dear Hala,
I hope you to know that I didn't mean what you tell me is hostile propaganda. I disagree Israel reacts harshly to them. Maybe, could you tell me if Israel injected Palestinians with the AIDS virus, poisoned Palestinian food products and threatened to destroy the Al-Aksa mosque? Probably it is a mere propaganda as an incitement to violence against Israel. Probably not.

Again, if I were a Palestinian resident and could not avoid the fate just as you said, I would know why.

"As a Palestinian police officer, I will not hesitate to give my gun to anyone who approaches me and tells me he is going to commit an attack against the army or the settlers. I will even kiss the gun before and after the operation."

- a P.L.O. recruit from Ramallah for the Palestinian police (Iton Yerushalayim, 10 December 1993)

[Diana]

[someone]

hi all ... i had read your messeges ,, before u read my post remember
we are here to discuss not to bother anyone ,,

if America became friendly towards the Arab nations and listened to the disquiet concerning the Israeli - Palestine issue most Arabs would welcome it and the general antipathy they currently have towards the US would dissapate
dduck

u are realistic .. u are completely right ..
i agree with u ,, i agree with u ,,

Diana ..
1- i think that u got awrong image about muslims ..
2- ANYONE dont have to love americanas or any other country but in the same time he can be kind to other when they are kind with him ..
3- before the painful events of the 11Sep. there was another painful one ..
and
how sad that when the unarmed father saw his innecot son killed between his arms without any excuse ???....
and there are more and more in pastanian ...


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thanx all
someone

[Diana]

[Diana]

By the way, I would also like to add that evidence has been found that Osama Bin Laden and his Al-Queda gang actually made plans to kill the Pope. Okay, can anyone tell me why Al-Queda terrorists would want to kill the Pope???????? Let me guess! He wasn't kind enough. Does that sound correct????

Terrorists are criminals. That's all they are. And you want me to sympathize with criminals and be kind to them?? As far as I'm concern, criminals should be brought to justice when they commit a crime. I'll be kind to other people, but not terrorists.

I condemned the actions of the terrorists. I don't care if they are muslims, Jews, or Christians terrorists. I also condemned the action of Timothy McVeigh. I have no sympathy for any terrorists. My sympathies lies with the innocent victims.

What I find appalling is people who actually think it was okay and justified for 19 Al-Queda terrorists to get aboard airplanes and kill 3000 innocent people. By supporting these terrorists, you are telling the 3000 victims that they do deserve to die. My sympathies are also with the victims in the Bali and Kenya attacks.

[dduck]

[Diana]

Dduck, if you read my comments to Chris in "To Dduck on Solutions," you will see that I do see hope with Israel and the Palestinians. Remember, I read the Oslo Process. A majority of Palestinians and Israelis want peace, and it can be achieved. If you read the discussions between Chris and me, we were looking at how it can be achieved.

Previously, I said that the terrorists are filled with hate. You're response was that if America were to listen to the Arab Israeli conflict, then the Arab world would like us. Dduck, I already told you that during Clinton's Presidency, the Oslo Accords was developed. It was a historic moment for both Israel and the Palestinians when the Oslo Accords was signed. At that time, the U.S. and the Arab world saw this hope that peace could actually exist between Israel and the Palestinians. Yet during this hopeful episode for peace, Bin Laden and his Al-Queda gang bombed 2 U.S. embassies in Africa and the U.S.S. Cole. So, what does this tell you about Al-Queda?

Osama Bin Laden and Al-Queda have their own agenda, which has nothing to do with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. These terrorists are filled with so much hate - hate enough to destroy themselves and everyone around them, and this is the vilest form of hate I've ever seen in my entire life. This kind of hatred actually blinds people that it's difficult for them to see the truth or any kind of warmth and kindness. As an example: One of these 19 terrorists who lived in the United States saw a man watering flowers in the park. The terrorist took this as a sign that all Americans are materialistic people - simply because this one man was watering flowers. Instead of thinking that some Americans care about Mother Earth or their environment, he took it as proof that Americans are godless, materialistic people. So, what does this tell you about Al-Queda?

These are people who actually made plans to kill the Pope!! And what in the world did the Pope do that got them riled up? I've asked this question to Pugachev V. and Chris ever since I found out that Al-Queda planned to kill the Pope. Pugachev V's answer was because the Pope could probably rile up the Catholic community against Islam. Personally, I think it's because they see the Pope as the leader of infidels.

Okay, I will try to keep insulting remarks out. I can't promise you that, but I will try. If you think that was insulting, you should have seen what I wrote to Brainbox a few months ago. I had to censor my comments by using *****.

[someone]

hi one again Diana
..

I opt that we leave Israel and the Palestinians alone to try to solve their own problems


I condemned the actions of the terrorists. I don't care if they are muslims, Jews, or Christians terrorists.


i beg your pardon Diana.. i really wonder how do u condemne all terrorists and in the same time , when we talk about the jwes terrorism you opt to leave them solve their problem ..u prefare to escape their terrible terrisom ....

when the jews killed the innecot people and made more than 3millions homeless u prefere to leave them alon but when 300 people killed u sympathize and feel sad ..
and after all that u say
I condemned the actions of the terrorists. I don't care if they are muslims, Jews, or Christians terrorists.


really u wonder me ...
anyway Diana, it still your opinion and I respect it .

THANX VERY MUCH DIANA
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dduck


thanx so much ….your post encouraged me to write another post

[Diana]

[someone]

u r welcome Diana ,,
But unfortunately u did not answer me yet ,,
u just after 11SEP realized the terrorism ,, u did not know that there is aterriable one in palstain which started before many years ,, more than 50 years ago ....
and u still so sympathize with the people who died in 11SEP and u didnot mention to the awesome terrorsim by jwes .. the and the victims became more than 3millions of innecot people ,,and moer and more of homeless children ,, just read about the impact of the jwes terrorsim that happen in palastian and u will know the ruslt of the helpe that u r still talking about it >>>>
by the way , will u explain more about the helpe ,,,
which kind of helpe was it and how could it allow only one side to be armed .. ,,and what about itz achievment during 50 years


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