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[ieltsinsider]

ltp - It's all thanks to the Chinese government's policy of engendering nationalism. It's a very worrying policy, causing most Chinese people to become extremely emotional whenever they perceive the slightest criticism of their country or Chinese people or culture.

But ltp, you already know this. And if anyone else reading this needs proof, just read Red Rose's last post.

[RedRose]

[ieltsinsider]

I put the word 'rubbish' in capitals to EMPHASISE it.

Sorry? Did I mention the quality of Chinese competitors? You're proving ltp right yet again!

By the way, do you think cute smiley faces and calling people 'sweet' and 'honey' make your words ok?

If your friends are Catholics living in China, they should be able to tell you how their religion is controlled by the government. There's been quite a lot in the news recently about how the Chinese government and the Vatican are having problems. In fact, there's an article on google about it as I type.

You read my reply on the other thread incorrectly again. The poster suggested that China was too big, not me. Please try reading!!

Why would suggesting that China be split up make someone a moron?

With refernce to ltp's posts, you should have noticed that in fact I was correcting ltp, by pointing out that men and women in China have the same (limited) rights. I have no idea why you jumped on me about that.

I also have no idea why you jumped on me about the one child policy, which I did NOT criticise. I have actually NEVER criticised the one child policy, since I actually think it is a good idea.

It was ltp's later posts (about how Chinese people often 'debate') that I agreed with.

What exactly did I write that was chaotic and prejudiced?

Red Rose, to be honest, I think many people reading the last paragraph of your last post would find your amateur psychology deeply disturbing.

[RedRose]

[ieltsinsider]

Emphasising makes a person hysterical? I think that virtually everyone would disagree with that.

Your second point illustrates that you misunderstood my comment. If I (not a Chinese person) and my best friend (not a Chinese person) played basketball against Yao Ming (a Chinese person), he would defeat us pretty easily, even though we are two and he is alone. Quality, not quantity.

Re your third point, you are attacking my argument whilst calling me 'sweet' and 'honey'. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of Western culture knows what you are doing.

If you want to know where I'm from, read my posts (something you don't seem to be doing!).

Why is splitting up China an idiotic idea?

You say that many people reading ALL my posts would find them disturbing. Interesting. Go look at your own posts and you'll find yourself agreeing with me and stating how insightful I have been. Whoops!

What hatred have I been spreading?

[RedRose]

Honey ieltsinsider, I have to call you sweet and honey, that's a friendly way, if you read it as an attack, it's just your problem. you are so sick in your mind, I am sure your heart is very dirty. you just need to see a Doctor, I mean, for your mental disease.

and again, you still didn't explain why it's easire to become an eductor in china than in western countries. you have no argument on this ridiculous point.

you didn't tell me where you are from, I bet you are shameful of your country or you just worry that maybe people would judge your country too. that made you a coward, don't you think?

sweet, why don't you suggest splitting your country up? why did you make up such an idiotic sugesstion?

You do have a problem with China, as I said, that's not unprovoked. now I am pretty much sure that some China people have abandoned you or your family, maybe physically otherwise, why do you hate China so much?

Honey, if it's true, I am sorry for what those chinese people have done to you and your family. in that case we owe you an apology.

Again: BTW, you have the exactly similar writingstyle as Itp, although sometimes you "seem" to try to correct her words, but still, all your work sounds just for a purpose: to make itp ok maybe you should try to change your writingstyle so that your trick can work out

[ieltsinsider]

OK, let's get the issue of psychological problems out of the way. You say that you call me 'sweety' and 'honey' to be friendly, then you say I am sick in my mind and have a mental disease. I am reporting your post to the moderator.

[RedRose]

[ieltsinsider]

I did explain why I believe that educators in China are less well-qualified than their counterparts in the West. To recap:
1. Educators in China are selected at least in part for their political views.
2. University students planning on becoming teachers almost automatically get high grades regardless of their real abilities.

I'm not ashamed of my country. It's just that I don't see what my nationality has to do with this post. If you could explain how my nationality might be an influence, go ahead.

As I wrote before, I didn't suggest splitting China, another poster did. I only suggested a place to start if such a policy were implemented. As for splitting my country, I'd let the people living in the particular locality decide if they wanted it. There is thread about Taiwan dealingwith this topic, by the way.

Where have I indicated that I hate China? I really must object to your strange suggestion that my family has been abandoned by Chinese people.

Ah, now I see what you mean about me and ltp. Sorry, but if you check out other threads, you'll find that I and ltp disagree sometimes. There's no 'trickery' - I have little idea about who ltp is. I honestly don't even know whether ltp is male or female.

[ieltsinsider]

The purpose of a moderator is to ensure that posts are within reason. It is perfectly acceptable to call in a moderator if posts are considered unsuitable. It is just like using a referee in a football match.

If someone hates China or even my own country, I wouldn't suggest that they have a mental problem. They have an opinion and that's it. I repeat that I have not posted anything to suggest that I hate China and you haven't posted any evidence to back up your claim. the fact that many Chinese people don't back up their claims is exactly the point ltp was making. You have proven him/her right.

[RedRose]

[ieltsinsider]

Chinese teachers are partly selected for their political views. University students intending to be teachers in China have to attend political classes. Besides, do you really think that the Chinese government would allow non-Communist Party approved ideas in the classroom?

Students in China regularly receive scores of over 80% from their teachers, even if they fail to achieve 80%. In other words, almost everyone gets over 80% in virtually every test. Let's take English for example. Every Chinese university student must pass an English test. It is claimed to be "very difficult" by Chinese students. OK. So why are those same students so, so bad at English? Doesn't make sense. Therefore, the grades must be inflated or the test is extremely easy.

If you want to know my nationality, do your homework. Read my other posts. Or don't you like work? That might be considered something undesirable in a teacher. You still haven't explained why my nationality is important. I love the way you ask me for evidence and I provide it. I ask you for evidence and get nothing. ltp was right.

People on this post have criticised my country and I've usually agreed with them.

You call me "Miss Knoweverything". Interesting.

You call me "freakishly silly". Even more interesting.

You call me "multi-nationalitied". Wow!

Show me the quote from this thread where I SUGGEST that China should be split.

If people want to remain part of China, then of course they should. What I'm saying is that if people do not want to be part of a country, they should have that option too. Their choice. Why is that stupid?

Show me, with a quote, that I hate China. Back up your claim.

I didn't say that it's normal for a person to hate another country without reason. I'm just saying that I wouldn't automatically assume that they have a mental problem. It could be the result of a bad experience. It could be racism. Neither of those things means that a person has a mental problem. A problem, yes, but not a mental problem.

If my knowledge of Chinese is correct (and I freely admit that I might be wrong), there could be an issue here about the meaning of 'mental problem'. Chinese people often use this to mean 'bad thinking' or 'incorrect thinking'. In English, the phrase refers to a person who has a psychological disorder, i.e. is ill/sick, and often cannot function as a normal person on a day-to-day basis.

[RedRose]

God, you are freakishly nuts

[beancurdturtle]

[Lorikeet]

Ugh. I'm sorry to see this has degenerated. I'm going to send a PM to both of the recent posters and lock the thread. If the original poster want to start another, feel free.