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What's your view on Global Warming?
What the scientists say is true-- global warming IS happening, it IS our fault, and it needs to be stopped
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The world is warming due to human fossil-fuel burning, but the media is exagerating it a LOT
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The world is just warming due to it's natural warm-cool cycles
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The world isn't warming at all
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Global warming is true, but I don't see why I (or my country) should care
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flying_pig319 wrote:
beancurdturtle wrote:

I tend to believe that man has freed enough carbon into the atmosphere to be a contributor to the current climate change cycle - but I've not yet been convinced that man is the cause of global warming.


Sorry to be dense, but what do you claim the difference is?




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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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flying_pig319 wrote:
beancurdturtle wrote:

I tend to believe that man has freed enough carbon into the atmosphere to be a contributor to the current climate change cycle - but I've not yet been convinced that man is the cause of global warming.


Sorry to be dense, but what do you claim the difference is?





Not sure that was the best explanation Wink, but I think I get it.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As someone who continually follows the news on global warming and the eco-changes on our planet, I believe there is a lot we can do to save the planet from becoming uninhabitable by humans.

Sceptics will always resist and brand it as mass hysteria or disaster conspiracy, but there is plenty to think about if one really takes a closer look in all the developments that have been taking place over the past decade. Sad
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I believe there is a lot we can do to save the planet from becoming uninhabitable by humans.


I'm not disagreeing with the thrust of your argument at all. I just thought the first sentence was a little oxymoronic.

We are not making the planet "uninhabitable by humans." From the time we humans discovered the benefit of opposable thumbs, we have been attempting to shape the earth to be more habitable by humans. To do so we exploit natural resources (1.e.: cut down entire forests for shelter, fuel, boats, and etc.). In doing so we unbalance the environment and make the earth less habitable.

Kind of an odd poetic justice don't you think? Too bad the justice is inflicted on future generations. If we don't learn how to live in a balanced way with nature, our children will be the ones to suffer for our gluttony.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

beancurdturtle wrote:
bigOz wrote:
I believe there is a lot we can do to save the planet from becoming uninhabitable by humans.


I'm not disagreeing with the thrust of your argument at all. I just thought the first sentence was a little oxymoronic.

We are not making the planet "uninhabitable by humans." From the time we humans discovered the benefit of opposable thumbs, we have been attempting to shape the earth to be more habitable by humans. To do so we exploit natural resources (1.e.: cut down entire forests for shelter, fuel, boats, and etc.). In doing so we unbalance the environment and make the earth less habitable.

Kind of an odd poetic justice don't you think? Too bad the justice is inflicted on future generations. If we don't learn how to live in a balanced way with nature, our children will be the ones to suffer for our gluttony.


Yes, humans are too smart for our scruples. Why did G/d make us smart enough to destroy the environment, but selfish enough to not care?
We're not made for the society we live in- human nature is screwy.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, humans are too smart for our scruples. Why did G/d make us smart enough to destroy the environment, but selfish enough to not care?
We're not made for the society we live in- human nature is screwy.

God, the Devil, or "human nature" are not the cause of our actions.

We, as individuals or tribes, make decisions and take actions. Every time we do something - whatever it is - we have made a decision to do it. So we are responsible.

Blaming God, the Devil, human nature, or something else - these are all responsibility dodging strategies.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

beancurdturtle wrote:
flying_pig319 wrote:

Yes, humans are too smart for our scruples. Why did G/d make us smart enough to destroy the environment, but selfish enough to not care?
We're not made for the society we live in- human nature is screwy.

God, the Devil, or "human nature" are not the cause of our actions.

We, as individuals or tribes, make decisions and take actions. Every time we do something - whatever it is - we have made a decision to do it. So we are responsible.

Blaming God, the Devil, human nature, or something else - these are all responsibility dodging strategies.


Oh no, in my book it's just the opposite. I'm not "blaming" G/d, but since
G/d (to me) just means sort of the way of the world and the randomness that things turned out as they are, I'm just asking why we are the way we are.
Saying it's human nature/ G/d is NOT blaming (for me), but I can see how you'd take it that way.
Let me rephrase:
"Why are we smart enough to destroy the environment, but selfish enough to not care?"

Confusing to explain, sorry.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flying_pig319 wrote:
"Why are we smart enough to destroy the environment, but selfish enough to not care?"


That's a darn good question.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's surely not smart to destroy the environment. However, to say we don't care is too simplistic.
First of all, the science is not good enough to say beyond all doubt that mankind is destroying the environment.
Secondly, there are so many other considerations that go into decision-making, such as the impact on the economy of countries that try to cut down their emissions, and the effect those cuts will have on social conditions etc., etc..
China is not included in the Kyoto agreement and is doing nothing to reduce emissions. Its industries are growing rapidly.
India is not included and its economy is growing.
USA is not included and is the biggest economy in the world.
Those three countries amount to about 40% of the world's population.
Brazil is doing nothing about the destruction of the rainforest.
Indonesia is allowing its forests to be destroyed.
Africa is practically deforested.
It is trees that absorb the carbon dioxide that is supposed to be , but as Bob has pointed out, is not, the main culprit.
Actually it is greed that is causing the damage and greed is what will make the earth uninhabitable.
Greed, and weak leaders.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's a disaster. The world is being driven by economy, but economy destroys the environment, and the earth becomes warmer.

I think if we could enlarge the radius of the earth-rotation around the sun, or better, if we enlarge the rotation earthrotaion-velocity around the sun, it could be solved. because F = m*v�/r

Haha but I don't think it's makable.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ad-miral wrote:
I think it's a disaster. The world is being driven by economy, but economy destroys the environment, and the earth becomes warmer.

I think if we could enlarge the radius of the earth-rotation around the sun, or better, if we enlarge the rotation earthrotaion-velocity around the sun, it could be solved. because F = m*v�/r

Haha but I don't think it's makable.


Yeah, haha I don't think we'll be doing that any time soon Razz
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:02 pm    Post subject: are humans stupid? Reply with quote

The amazing thing is that all this has happened before. The Easter Islanders destroyed their environment. The Anasazi destroyed theirs. Climate change brought down ancient Egypt and cultures in Mexico.

And what do we do? We run around saying that we want a better world for our children whilst destroying that world by voting for leaders who can only see as far as the next election.

Humanity deserves to die.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:32 am    Post subject: Re: are humans stupid? Reply with quote

ieltsinsider wrote:
The amazing thing is that all this has happened before. The Easter Islanders destroyed their environment. The Anasazi destroyed theirs. Climate change brought down ancient Egypt and cultures in Mexico.

And what do we do? We run around saying that we want a better world for our children whilst destroying that world by voting for leaders who can only see as far as the next election.

Humanity deserves to die.


Wow, moving.

I guess it's humans own fault for not doing anything about it even though we KNOW what's going on!!
It's really insane.
What will we tell our grandchildren (if we get that far)? "Yeah, we knew about the warming... We just, uh.... Didn't do anything...?"
I guess the planet should be given up by a more thoughtful species who deserves to have it Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know not much about global warming. But I think it is out here. I noticed my city is getting warmer. Few years ago there used to be snow and colder and now it isnt. In the summer time, my city had weather record. The city was really hot in some days.

I think scientist notice enviroment crisis back into more than hundred and fifty years ago when industry began to mess up with the nature. May be at that time industry and scients thought nature and industry can be together.

I think in 60s enviromentist notice there is really some enviroment crisis maybe existed.

I probably will see the Al Gore movie on global warming to know about this subject.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

welkins2139 wrote:
I know not much about global warming. But I think it is out here. I noticed my city is getting warmer. Few years ago there used to be snow and colder and now it isnt. In the summer time, my city had weather record. The city was really hot in some days.

I think scientist notice enviroment crisis back into more than hundred and fifty years ago when industry began to mess up with the nature. May be at that time industry and scients thought nature and industry can be together.

I think in 60s enviromentist notice there is really some enviroment crisis maybe existed.

I probably will see the Al Gore movie on global warming to know about this subject.


Very wise, you are Smile
And yeah, the Al Gore movie is definitely worth seeing. Definitely.
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