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RedRose

Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 2735 Location: GuangZhou, China
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:50 pm Post subject: Re: freedom of the press in China |
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ieltsinsider wrote: |
The SARS outbreak was very important in another (often overlooked) way. China constantly says that it seeks international co-operation. The fact that China didn't report SARS to the international community suggests otherwise. |
SARS was a shame that Chinese government made, and a lie too, I guess that's based on some dark thoughts such as fear, nonconfidence, etc, just like you dare not tell where you are from the same dark thoughts, the same nonconfidence, the same fear  |
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welkins2139
Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 252
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:35 pm Post subject: Re: culture about China |
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Do most Chinese still believe communism ideology now? |
I heard some old people that I know they talked about communism. When they talked about it, I felt as if it were pretty bad.
Right now, China definitely is not Communist. I do not care some media think or include that China still is. I do not think it is.
I know not much about the Communism ideology. I never read any Karx Marx books. I know he was a very poor man when he died.
Sometimes I wondered what kind of country China is. I think they have one party goverment unlike USA, two parties Republican or Democratic. The people still cannot vote. People can own property, though. |
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RedRose

Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 2735 Location: GuangZhou, China
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:56 am Post subject: Re: culture about China |
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welkins2139 wrote: |
Right now, China definitely is not Communist. I do not care some media think or include that China still is. I do not think it is.
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I don't think my country is still communist either!! I definitely don't believe communism ideology, because it's just a pale, ridiculous theory. and I don't see that it's gonna work anyway. |
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Pommezani
Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 231 Location: France
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:01 pm Post subject: lichi |
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hi! i'm french, and I just saw fruits with lichi on google... hehehehe |
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RedRose

Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 2735 Location: GuangZhou, China
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: lichi |
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Pommezani wrote: |
hi! i'm french, and I just saw fruits with lichi on google... hehehehe |
oh? then what did you see? A pen-is too?  |
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welkins2139
Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 252
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: culture about China |
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I definitely don't believe communism ideology, because it's just a pale, ridiculous theory. and I don't see that it's gonna work anyway. |
Well, they had many crazy theorys. One of them I heard my friend said that you wife could be shared with all your comrades, was that true?
When I heard it, I was laughing. I thought he must be kidding. I thought he just wanted saying silly things to tease me, or getting rid of a bore. |
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RedRose

Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 2735 Location: GuangZhou, China
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:29 pm Post subject: Re: culture about China |
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welkins2139 wrote: |
Well, they had many crazy theorys. One of them I heard my friend said that you wife could be shared with all your comrades, was that true?
When I heard it, I was laughing. I thought he must be kidding. I thought he just wanted saying silly things to tease me, or getting rid of a bore. |
haha! that's a typical misunderstanding about communism! how come people would make up such a ridiculous saying? maybe they just wanted to mix the truth with some legend anyway.
I don't think that make sense. |
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ltp-008
Joined: 09 Apr 2006 Posts: 258
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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To Redrose:
I think that we should respect personal privacy,ieltsinsider doesn't want to expose his or her nationality ,it is his or her right,would you agree with that?
I heard that there are a few softwares created by sofeware specialists which they can break the blockage being imposed by Chinese government,hundreds of thousand of people in China use them everyday,so Chinese government censorship doesn't work very well,many Chinese can get infromation through this way.
I think that in terms of economy China is no longer pure communist country any more,its economy has being gradually transformed from command economy in which every goods are distributed by government into free-market economy ,due to this reforms Chinese economy has been improved a lot,many ordinary Chinese people's lives have been enriched .But in terms of politics China is still a dictatorship country -a communist country in which their people lack of a lot of rights such as freedom of press,election and religion and so on.
So I think that following the success of economic reforms in China,most Chinese people would like to have more rights,they would like that the Chinese communist regime reforms its political system which makes China a democratic and free country,if doing so not only does China become economic power in the world but also become political power in the international affairs which rest of countries in the world would respect China even more.would you agree with that? |
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beancurdturtle

Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 1041 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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I think it's better to live in a country where you know and understand the limits to your freedoms, than to live in a country where your freedoms are constantly limited and threatened but everyone denies the truth.
Better to live knowing the truth, than to deny the truth and live a fantasy. _________________ Daniel
�Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.�
--Dr. Seuss |
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RedRose

Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 2735 Location: GuangZhou, China
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:22 am Post subject: |
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ltp-008 wrote: |
To Redrose:
I think that we should respect personal privacy,ieltsinsider doesn't want to expose his or her nationality ,it is his or her right,would you agree with that?
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I don't think so. nationality is some privacy? her nationality is one of her privacies? yes, she is shameful of her nationality.
Some people don't offer their nationalities, but that's ok, because they don't attack others like what ieltsinsider dose.
If you talk about people and their countries in a friendly way, then we are happy to read your posts and points, even though your comments are negative, it's still ok. as long as your comment is objective and reasonable, then we will accept it.
But ieltsinsider attacks people in a malicious way, and she critisizes people with many nonexistences, therefore, she should tell us her nationality so that we can make a fair discussion. that's supposed to be a rule for a game. a fair rule.
Why should an unconfident person be the one who judges people all the way? that dosen't make sense. |
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ad-miral

Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 1488
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 2:42 am Post subject: |
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So I think that following the success of economic reforms in China,most Chinese people would like to have more rights,they would like that the Chinese communist regime reforms its political system which makes China a democratic and free country,if doing so not only does China become economic power in the world but also become political power in the international affairs which rest of countries in the world would respect China even more.would you agree with that? |
No I don't agree with that. The communist government (well, government, regime sounds so negative) is working very well in China, so Chinese guys like the recent government very much. _________________ If I say "I love you" to someone, then I also have to say "I also love everyone else inside you, I love the whole world because of you, I also love myself inside you." -- Erich Fromm, the Art of Love |
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Pommezani
Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 231 Location: France
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:22 am Post subject: Re: lichi |
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oh? then what did you see? A pen-is too? [/quote]
No, i just saw the fruit... should I be worried about this?  |
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KHF

Joined: 15 Dec 2005 Posts: 100 Location: ON, Canada
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:21 am Post subject: |
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ad-miral wrote: |
No I don't agree with that. The communist government (well, government, regime sounds so negative) is working very well in China, so Chinese guys like the recent government very much. |
Mr. Chen, his lawyers, Mr. Hu, the Tibetan people and countless others would beg to differ. In terms of economic reform, the communist government is working VERY well. In terms of social problems, not so much I'm afraid.
To quote beanturdturtle,
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Better to live knowing the truth, than to deny the truth and live a fantasy. |
This is exactly why political censorship needs to stop. |
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ad-miral

Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 1488
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:08 am Post subject: |
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Tibet is a poor country. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet
1. They had had a good time in the 7th and the 50th century, then in the 13th century the Mongolians took over Tibet and attacked them repeatedly. The last surviving religious party (Dalai Lama) became the official government.
2. In the 18th century China came and established their "government". The Tibetans rebelled and killed the "governor", then China came, marched troops in and set a new "governor", the Tibetans didn't reoppose.
3. So the Dalai Lamas governed with big influence of India, Turkistan and China.
4. During a conflict between Great Britain and Russia the British feared of an Russian occupation of Tibet, so 1904 the British invaded Tibet with military. They forbid the Tibetans to make economical exchanges with other countries than Britain, and that Tibet shouldn't have any contact to other countries without the British permission.
5. In 1907 England, China and Russia decided that China should protect Tibet as a half-sovereignty country.
6. 1950 the Communist Party, one of the two big parties in China (the recent government) took over Tibet without being really defensed by the Tibetan Army. Afterwards in 1959 the Tibetans revolted the occupation. On 21th march the Chinese invaded Tibet with military.
all wars are horrible, nearly all countries made war, and China is one of the big countries which made the least wars in comparison to Europe and America. However our task now is to try to stop the following wars. I bet that America could get it, with his war against muslim religion. _________________ If I say "I love you" to someone, then I also have to say "I also love everyone else inside you, I love the whole world because of you, I also love myself inside you." -- Erich Fromm, the Art of Love |
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KHF

Joined: 15 Dec 2005 Posts: 100 Location: ON, Canada
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:57 am Post subject: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet#Evaluation_of_PRC_rule
Tibet was "poor" in what aspect? Financially or spiritually? Say if it was indeed poor, what did that have anything to do with an invasion?
You mentioned the British "expedition" that's really a colonial expansion. Don't you find the PROC actions reminiscent of that?
BTW, you ignored the other examples I gave. |
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