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RedRose
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| beancurdturtle wrote: |
it's very accepted (and even expected) for a woman to have a deep desire to have children - but it is not always acceptable (depending on the individual and their society) for a woman to have a deep desire to have sex. However, from a pragmatic standpoint, not many people have children without having sex. Why do we (people's societal expectations and religions) set up these nonsensical dichotomies?
That's a bit screwed up if you asked me. |
that confuses me too. sometimes I would think it is sexism. one hand, society hope that women reproduce kids to continue human being's existance, and men also hope women react in an exciting way when having sex, in that case, men would feel proud and high; but on the other hand, if a woman desires sex too much, then her man would feel insecure, in the other words, the man just worry that his woman would look for sex from other men. therefore, the society(mainly dominated by men) set up these nonsensial dichotomies.
here in China, if a man expresses his desire to have sex(not many men do that though), people would be generous to him, and they think that's totally normal. however, if a woman dose that, then people would probably mock at her and call her "sex-addict", "female pervert", etc. in that case she will feel humiliated.
I have mentioned sexism in some of my posts, nowadays, sexism still exists, everywhere, in different ways.
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RedRose
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| Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:29 am Post subject: |
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| None is interested in naked women anymore? huh? |
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ad-miral
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| Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:20 am Post subject: |
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I never said I'm not interested
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Bob S.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:14 am Post subject: |
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| beancurdturtle wrote: |
Why do we (people's societal expectations and religions) set up these nonsensical dichotomies?
That's a bit screwed up if you asked me. |
It's not so much nonsensical as it is a barely balanced consequence of competing evolutionary forces.
A female can only produce a limited number of eggs, and therefore offspring, in her life, whereas males produce near limitless sperm. As such, the female must simultaneously attract males' attention with visual displays of beauty but at the same time appear uninterested in copulating to discourage too aggressive male sexual behavior. Hense the "come here go away come here go away" game. That gives the female time to discern which potential suitor would make the best father for her limited number of offspring.
A male's limited resource is his time and effort. If a female appears sexually aggressive, the male will happily view her as an opportunity to spread his sperm. But if he does not trust that she is limiting and selective in her mating choices, he cannot be certain that her offspring are also his offspring, and therefore he will not be so willing to invest his limited resources into helping to care for her offspring. Investing effort in another male's offspring would limit his own chances to pass his genetic material on to the next generation, an obvious evolutionary disadvantage in primitive days.
The rules of society are still functioning more or less within the parameters established by evolution ever since our ancestors stood upright millions of years ago. It is an evolutionary advantage to the female and hense her offspring for her to behave in an attractive yet chaste and trustworthy manner to elicit the male's trust (based on his evolutionary predisposition) and therefore support in the raising of her children.
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| None is interested in naked women anymore? huh? |
Hey, if you want to post naked pictures of yourself to this site, I doubt any of the guys here will stop you. But since this is meant to be a "family friendly" site visited by lots of kids, Dave and Lori might have something to say about it, and ban you. Then we would miss you!  |
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ad-miral
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| Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| Hey, if you want to post naked pictures of yourself to this site, I doubt any of the guys here will stop you. But since this is meant to be a "family friendly" site visited by lots of kids, Dave and Lori might have something to say about it, and ban you. Then we would miss you! |
 I guess all male members will protest against Lori banning redrose
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beancurdturtle
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| Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:24 am Post subject: |
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Wow Bob S.!
What a great explanation.
Tell you what RedRose. If you want to share your photos, just send them to me. I'll put them on a website where the whole world can admire you.
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RedRose
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| Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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come here go away come here go away game is really fun. but I don't remember when I even played this game. maybe I have done it in my subconsciousness. but I normally don't play it on purpose
Yes, Bob's explanation makes much sense. however, I have noticed, mostly, men love to show off more than women do. in the other words, men always act like peacocks when women are around. many men often try to attract women's attention, in a desperate way 
Speaking of naked pictures, I don't have any...yet. but even since I do, I highly doubt I would send them to anyone
I will open another thread to discuss about this topic. it's about a college teacher in my city posting her naked pictures on internet, and her college expelled her. hername is 竹影青瞳 |
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nana123
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RedRose
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| Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:35 am Post subject: |
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yeah, the cartoon looks so amusing  |
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ad-miral
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that fits perfectly to the topic
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ClarissaMach
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Bob S. wrote: |
| The rules of society are still functioning more or less within the parameters established by evolution ever since our ancestors stood upright millions of years ago. It is an evolutionary advantage to the female and hence her offspring for her to behave in an attractive yet chaste and trustworthy manner to elicit the male's trust (based on his evolutionary predisposition) and therefore support in the raising of her children |
I'm not sure I agree with that. If our social behavior is still mainly influenced by evolutionary rules, why do we forbide incest and rape? Why do we find it disgusting when a man has sex with a 13-years-old girl? Why instead of sleeping with lots of different men (what would stimulate genetic variation), most women prefer settling down with only one man? I believe we are not so led by our primitive stincts. Not anymore.
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beancurdturtle
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| Why instead of sleeping with lots of different men (what would stimulate genetic variation), most women prefer settling down with only one man? |
Their "soul mate" - or personal Alpha Male. 
Still archetypal behavior.
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