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[rice07]

Hi

According to the e.g.1,2,there're really some minor revision in the books between the 3rd(the latest) and 1st(more than 10 years ago) edition. I used to learned from the 1st edition( I borrowed it from a library a half year ago).which said that "if there're double or mutiple negatives in a sentence(compound sentence included), we take one negative for its full meaning". But now the 3rd edition doesn't seem so definate; seems to accept an opinion that due to dialects varied results in varieties. Some people say so,some others not, not for sure. But that's ok, let's depend on situations. (but avoid using in writing, especially in standard English)

As to e.g.3,it takes you time to learn how a huge structure is formed. However, if you keep learning, time will tell you everything.

[LeBron]

Ahh ok, I see.

By the way... the following word order I found for English sentences:
Question word -> (auxiliary) verb -> subject -> (full) verb -> object -> place? -> time?

But what about words like "once", "just", "only"? What's the right place for these "filling words"?

So long...
Lebron

[rice07]

Hi

I'm sorryto ask you -"Have you got youself an English-English dictionary yet?" Please note that if you want to master English,you'd better buy one with detailed example sentences,I mean a complete one. this way you can learn those natural expressions and collocations from them. It'll be more efficient if your learning approach is in the right direction.(the anwers to your questions are all in the dictionary!)

Go! Go!

Good day!

[LeBron]

Hi rice,

tomorrow I will go to the city and look for it. Today I will already search for a good one in the internet (I think Langenscheidt have good stuff). Maybe I can order someone in the internet too?!...
Let's have a look...

[rice07]

Hi LeBRon

Good job!You're doing right!

According to question words,Iguess it's a kind of interrogative patern like: Did you like that blonde girl over there minutes ago?

AUX:did ; S:you : OBJECT:that blonde girl ;PLACE:over there;TIME:minutes ago.

As to words like "only", "just",..., you need to take a lot of reading to learn their right words order ,like:

A: She is really a nice girl,isn't she?

B: Yes,she really is.(Not she is really.)

That's why I suggest that you'd better get yourself a dictionary. With reading a lot of sentences, you'll learn how native speakers to express themselves understood in their tongues. So most reading you have to take by yourself . When cap(obstacle) is not the cap,you'll find you've been in another level already.

[rice07]

1."Already" seems to be used with past or present/past perfect tense.

2.If "Langenscheidt" is the name of a book store,"has" sould be used in here,not "have".

3.Someone should be two words separate,and adding an adjective word seems natural,like:some nice/good one.

[rice07]

BTW,"already"can also be used with words like "finished" ,"ready","prepared",or some words with meaning similiar.

Examples:

1.A: Are you ready?

B: Yes,I'm already.

2.A:Are you finished(prepared)?


B: Yes, I'm finished(prepared) already.(Note:finished and prepared are adjectives not verbs in here.)

[rice07]

=>BTW,"already" can be used with "ready","finished",and "prepared" or words with meaning similiar in present tense.

[LeBron]

Hi rice,

I thought if I tell you about a book store, I have to use the AUX verb "have", because many people are working in there.
Is it wrong to use "have" instead of "has" yeah?
Have I treat the store as an object (it has...) yeah?

Well.....I'm coming home just now. I was looking for an Engl.-Engl.-Dictionary just now, which explains the words only in English. But there are many publishers, so I want to compare with others at first.
Can you maybe recommend me a special publisher for dictionaries, which are particularly good?

Best regards,
LeBron

[rice07]

Hi

No.- You should use "has" not "have" in that case because that is "a" place or "a" book store,no matter how many people are there.

The dictionaries I'm using are "Oxford Advanced Learner's English Dictionary" and "Longman Comtemporary English Dictionary". At the beginning of what you're aiming to learn is difficult.But you've to keep trying whatever setbacks you're having. Whereas, that why I mentioned earlier-achieving success is not the kind of thing done overnight,it takes time,action,determination,and passion.Qoted someone as saying-Patience is bitter,but the fruite is sweet.

Don't give up!

[rice07]

Has/Have + subject + past participle:

"Have I treated..." or "Did/do + I + treat..." not " Have I treat...".

I rephrase the question "has/have" again.We're talking about "a" place or "a " book store" but not "people". Whereas,"has" should be used in that case.

[LeBron]

Hi rice,

I ordered the "Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary" a few minutes ago. I'm sure this big and detailed dictionary can help me a lot.

Best regards and merry Christmas
LeBron

[rice07]

Hi LeBron

That's good!

Season's greetings