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[Fusako]

American culture in itself can�t be defined as a good thing or bad thing, but sometimes in the foreign countries, some American ways of doing cause serious troubles.
It is different affair, I think, when we�re discussing about American culture and this American ways in foreign countries.

One of this American ways, for example, is a capitalist economy dominating the world�s market these days. In advanced countries it may not so matters, but almost developing countries in the world can�t reach this American way. The capitalist economy in a sense can deny the ethnic way of making a living (it may can be said self-sufficiency).
Their lands, cultures and people are devastated because of their adjusting to this American way. For instance, slash-and-burn agriculture is. Farmers burn forests in order to raise cattle (burned forests can be good manure to grow grass to raise cattle), unless they even can�t live no longer. And some advanced countries delightedly buy this inexpensive beef (the company of Japanese McDonald Hamburger does, as far as I know).
This sadness can�t be replaced with words, that any irreplaceable nature could be converted in dollars.

We can enjoy lives brought by the capitalist economy, but it is our duty to consider about these troubles that this "American ways" could bring about at the same time.

thank you for reading,
Fusako from Japan

[eleonorapo]

And, finally, it is is the culture america in the rest of the world!

They come to our country and they remove our wealth at banana price, without nothing can do, therefore there are economical reprisals, as well as in Fidel Castro Cuba.

I believe that the Americans are selfish and murderers of the worst nature, that put the human life in last place and the money and the power in first place.

Here in Brazil, as in the whole Latin America, they financed the "military blows" that it killed a lot of people and that you/they had as goal, to end with the Brazilian communist party, killing a lot of innocent people!

they taught our people to kill and to torture communist as if they really went children's eaters.

Well, I think nobody is blind and everybody saw what they did and they are doing in Iraq. We cannot ask what an American finds, therefore they are not being very informed of the brutalities that there happen!

I hope God has mercy of the soul of the Americans, because their prepotency is very big, they think they are the owners of the world and of right manageable they are! Because, who would have courage of saying a not for the Americans? Now, with certainty it would be one more war! Cowards as always and false idealists, that he/she has the courage and petulance all over the world of seeing afome and if they don't look at that!

On September 11, I think they did deserve... I think only who lives in the skin that is the American north dominance, it is that he/she would have courage of doing something of that type.

There, you wonder: "But so much innocent people died! "

Yes, he/she died! But with certainty they killed much Iraquian, Afghan, japoses!
Now, they were the only people capable to play two atomic bombs on the civil population of Japan!

On Iraq.. ahhhhh, that was a joke! Remember Bush "iraq freedom!" Freedom? Of the where what that freedom is??

For worst than Saddam went, with certainty the Americans were not calling the people that he killed and it massacred, so much that it helped him/it to arrive in the power! It financed the military blow to remove of the power the Shiite ones, that besides are returning with the whole force! There euq uero to see they to remove a drop of petroleum of the Iraquian soil!

As told me my mother: "here it is done, here pays himself! "
And that Bin Laden does make the Americans to pay, as well as the mother nature also!
In the bottom what desire does the one know? To total extinction of that people, because or they extinguish, or they will put an end to the rest of the world!

I only hope you are more human and remove the king of the belly and help other countries! If you leave and if they don't introduce in the Brazilian economy, us also iremnos to progress, as well as everybody!
Leave Cuba alone... if they are communist problems of them!

He/she knows, you say that healthy very rich, but in the reality you are very poor, so much of spirit, as economically, because you only explore the rizesas of the poorest countries! They come with saint's face and bonzinho offering help! Badly he/she knows the people that is the great true behind that ironic smile!

Well, after the relief, I am going saying goodbye to you. Excuse me who didn't like of what wrote, but that is my great reality! I have a dream: of we be all same ones, color independete, race, nationality! 'I know that it is Utopia, but at least, we will leave that each one grows in the way that can. Help to the neighbor... Africa... the hunger, Cuba... they leave them in peace also! For God's sake, begin to see the devastation that you do for the world out!

[U-jin]

Ahh please get used to the fact that USA is the best place on earth to live at(and don#t tell me some sandy beaches in some third world country, because you can only live there and enjoy it only if you have money which most people don#t have the luxury). And get over the fact, that your country sucks and instead of facing the problems you guys/gals have you b1tch and moan about how bad USA is.

I noticed a trend in the world. People tend to support the underdog (aka the losers). Just think about it, every time you see Brazil soccer team playing some other country don#t you secretly wish the other country wins? How about Brazil team vs your country? Why? The answer is PRIDE. Well the same thing in the world of politics. There are losers and there are winners. So they losers(have not) b1tch that they don#t have anything, and blame the winners(those who have) and because there are so many losers out there in the world, they tend to support each other and gang bang the #vilified bad# guy (the winner)

Think about your own countries fables and stories, and think about who is the hero? The hero(the good guy aka the underdog aka the loser) is always some single or small group of individuals who stand up against the big #vilified bad# guy(aka the winner). So as you can see most of those people that fables glorify are nothing more then bunch of losers, who overcome their lameness and achieve greatness and became the winner (aka #vilified bad# guy)


People who hate USA, actually hate their own country and its inability to achieve greatness, so THEIR PRIDE GETS HURT, and they don#t want to admit to it. So instead they b1tch about how #bad (aka the winner)# USA is.

So what makes USA great? Well we have the bad we have the good and we have the ugly...what makes it all work here is the constitution (+bill of rights) that after so many years withstood the test of time.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibit_hall/charters_of_freedom/constitution/constitution.html


Peace out, so before you start dissing USA, look at your own country first.

#If you want to make a world a better place, take a look at yourself and make a change#
-Michael Jackosn.

[mandrake1981]

[quote="eleonorapo"]And, finally, it is is the culture america in the rest of the world!

They come to our country and they remove our wealth at banana price, without nothing can do, therefore there are economical reprisals, as well as in Fidel Castro Cuba.

I believe that the Americans are selfish and murderers of the worst nature, that put the human life in last place and the money and the power in first place.

Here in Brazil, as in the whole Latin America, they financed the "military blows" that it killed a lot of people and that you/they had as goal, to end with the Brazilian communist party, killing a lot of innocent people!

they taught our people to kill and to torture communist as if they really went children's eaters.

Well, I think nobody is blind and everybody saw what they did and they are doing in Iraq. We cannot ask what an American finds, therefore they are not being very informed of the brutalities that there happen!

I hope God has mercy of the soul of the Americans, because their prepotency is very big, they think they are the owners of the world and of right manageable they are! Because, who would have courage of saying a not for the Americans? Now, with certainty it would be one more war! Cowards as always and false idealists, that he/she has the courage and petulance all over the world of seeing afome and if they don't look at that!

On September 11, I think they did deserve... I think only who lives in the skin that is the American north dominance, it is that he/she would have courage of doing something of that type.

There, you wonder: "But so much innocent people died! "

Yes, he/she died! But with certainty they killed much Iraquian, Afghan, japoses!
Now, they were the only people capable to play two atomic bombs on the civil population of Japan!

On Iraq.. ahhhhh, that was a joke! Remember Bush "iraq freedom!" Freedom? Of the where what that freedom is??

For worst than Saddam went, with certainty the Americans were not calling the people that he killed and it massacred, so much that it helped him/it to arrive in the power! It financed the military blow to remove of the power the Shiite ones, that besides are returning with the whole force! There euq uero to see they to remove a drop of petroleum of the Iraquian soil!

As told me my mother: "here it is done, here pays himself! "
And that Bin Laden does make the Americans to pay, as well as the mother nature also!
In the bottom what desire does the one know? To total extinction of that people, because or they extinguish, or they will put an end to the rest of the world!

I only hope you are more human and remove the king of the belly and help other countries! If you leave and if they don't introduce in the Brazilian economy, us also iremnos to progress, as well as everybody!
Leave Cuba alone... if they are communist problems of them!

He/she knows, you say that healthy very rich, but in the reality you are very poor, so much of spirit, as economically, because you only explore the rizesas of the poorest countries! They come with saint's face and bonzinho offering help! Badly he/she knows the people that is the great true behind that ironic smile!

Well, after the relief, I am going saying goodbye to you. Excuse me who didn't like of what wrote, but that is my great reality! I have a dream: of we be all same ones, color independete, race, nationality! 'I know that it is Utopia, but at least, we will leave that each one grows in the way that can. Help to the neighbor... Africa... the hunger, Cuba... they leave them in peace also! For God's sake, begin to see the devastation that you do for the world out![/quote]



good speach !!!

Aye. Fight and you may die. Run, and you`ll live. At least a while. And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance, just one chance, to come back and tell our enemies that they may take our lives but they`ll never take our freedom!

--------My idol William Wallace

[U-jin]

blah blah blah *beep* and moan USA is soo bad blah blah blah, all of our problem is because of USA blah blah blah and more b1tching and moaning. Obviously your people are not greedy selfish and brutal to each other...what a joke. Yeah go ahead b1tch and moan and b1tch and moan and blame all your problem at USA, obviously you cant even look at your country and at your sh1t and the sh1t your live in, and realize YOU and YOUR corrupt bullsh1t government and YOUR people who sell YOUR OWN people into prostitution, and YOUR people people who exploit each other. So please pull your head out of your a$$ because you like it or not PEOPLE ARE NOT MOVING TO YOU PIECE OF SH1T COUNTRY...and they move to USA...YOU KNOW WHY? I bet you do, but you are just so full of pride and bitterness that you refuse to look at reality and instead blame everything on USA.

Yes USA has problems, but in USA you can address them and improve on them. We are not perfect but it is the best f@cking place to live and work at. Unlike your country which is so f@cking corrupt and no one gives a sh1t about their own people. I would be bitter as you are living in a crap hole as you do. Dont believe me? Ask millions of people who are trying to make it here and have a better, and make a better life for their children. How many people trying to migrate to your country? Yeah that is what I thought.

So before you open you sh1t hole, look around yourself, and then look at yourself because YOU are responsible for the position you are in, so stop blaming others, just because it is easier.

And how ironic that you are learning English ... but then I will not expect you to understand that either.


But please go ahead and blame USA because you are poor, because your english sucks, then blame USA because you are short, then blame USA because your house is a piece of sh1t, then blame USA because you have no friends, and then blame USA for everything else too. What a great solution you found. Go ahead and blame USA for everything, and go ahead be angry and bitter and rot in your hole, because until you realize for taking responsibility for YOUR govt and for YOURSELF you are just a loser. And if you think your life sucks talk to a 4 year old kid in Africa who has HIV and AIDS (YEah I bet you will blame USA for that too...geee) and who will die in about 2-3 years. Then compare that kids life to yours, and I hope you will stop b1tching for at least 5 seconds, cause your life is not that bad. And wishing destruction on others, you are no better then the people "who you hate" you are one big a$4 f@cking hypocrite too.

Here is a cookie, shove it up your a$$ dumbf@ck, because YOU sound like a complete IDIOT.

Educate yourself before you show everyone how much of an idiot you are.

[Diana]

First of all, U-Jin, conduct yourself in a more honorable way! I am a Chamorro-American, and you embarass the American people with the filthy language coming out of your post. Use intellect instead of vulgar words.

Secondly, to mandrake and eleonorapo, you have a serious misconception about America. You don't even know the difference between CULTURE and POLITICS. The two words are not the same! If you really want to see a world of peace where people of many nations get together, then get rid of your Bin Laden attitude. Saying that the American people deserves to be attacked by terrorists in 911 is simply pure hatred on your part - the same kind of hatred that Bin Laden has and brainwashed to his followers.

In the third place, learn some history. You say that America dropped two atomic bombs on Japan in 1945. Well, what do you think Japan was doing in 1945 and before that??? They were brutally slaughtering many innocent Chinese and Pacific Islanders! That was World War II. Japan was not an innocent country as they slaughtered innocent people in Asia and the Pacific islands - including my people on my island!

As for Iraq and Afghanistan, how easy it is for you to point to America's faults. Well, I have news for you! The Iraqi Kurds in the north helped the Americans fight against Saddam's Republican Guards while the Shi'ite muslims in the south helped the British locate Saddam's Fayedeen soldiers. Now, do you want to know why the Iraqi citizens were helping the Americans and British? It's because Saddam killed millions of Iraqis! The majority of Iraqi people are now happy to be free from Saddam, and they no longer have to live in fear anymore - thanks to the US and Britain.

As for Afghanistan, what do you think the Taliban were doing in that country? Haven't you heard the stories? Women were being raped and oppressed in that country that many of them committed suicide by drinking battery acid. Do you honestly think that the people of Afghanistan are better off with the Taliban? Think about it! And learn something about history. And while you're at it, take the time to meet and talk with an American. Then perhaps, you will learn that Americans are not "infidels" as Bin Laden puts it. They are human beings like everyone on this planet with the same emotions as everyone else. After all, Americans come from many different nationalities around the world. There are Asian Americans, European Americans, African Americans, Brazilian Americans, Cuban Americans, etc. The American people comes in many ethnic group and have many religions and beliefs. Like I said, I am a Chamorro-American. I am a Pacific Islander and an American.

[U-jin]

Dude what the hell? They can speak what ever the f#ck they want and I have to sensor it? What happen to free speech? Obviously she/he can express themselves and I have to do some f#ckign dance so I dont hurt their feelings? F%ck it. Obviously they "know everything" so you think a rational, coherent argumet will change their mind. Screw it. I will just tell them the way it is, if they dont like it, it is their problem? AND YOU are emberressed??Over what? Free speech that she spew out from her uneducated ming yet you sensor mine, cause "ohhh she doesnt understand?" Bull crap, she made her mind, and she knows how the world is, except she is soo full pride she cant accept the fact her own people screwing her over, yet it is so convinient to blame the "American" Plllllllleaaaaaase you want to tell fary tales to people here, go ahead...I am not about it.

USA can kick everyones as$ and people know it. People fear it, cause it is strong, people envy it because they are not lucky to have a govt that CARES for their own people. How funny I see peopel b1tch and moan about USA when their govt is soo much worse and in the same time they WANT to learn ENGLISH and they LOVE AMERICAN DOLLAR!! PLEASE get real...you ..you and you. Dont pretend. You want to hate? You arleady do, you want to realize and accept reality, then pull your head out of your as$. Want to ban my account for speaking the truth go ahead. I guess no one will see the irony to the fact when everyone can talk sh1t about USA and how "evil" it is, but when I give them a pill of reality "ohhh nooo he is rude!" F%ck it. Obviously this forum then is not for me, and please delete my account. I thought this is a place that EVERYONE can express how they feel and share their feeling, so please dont f%cking sensor me, cause if you do that to me, you better f^ckign sensor all those who talk f^ckign sh1t about USA.

I love the bullcrap I see here. dont want me to write how things are ...delete my account, i am not going to sweat over it. But dont go "ohhh im soo emberesed about Ujin" cause all of a sudden he is talking smack about other countries. OBviously that doesnt matter when others talk sh1t and spew out ignorance about USA.

Again, USA kicks a$$ and all of you fear it, and envy it. Cause USA is strong you hate it, cause of your pride , simple and clear. Cause YOUR country sucks ass~ yeah go and delete my account cause I am not going to deal with people talking sh1t about USA when they dont even know what they are talking about! I guess i am not in the right forum, where people will express what they want, and learn from others opinions. I guess it is okay to talk sh1t about USA, but boy talk truth about other peoples countries is a "no-no" f^ck it. Delete my account then.


Peace out

[Diana]

U-jin, you have a lot to learn about your constitutional rights as an American. In America, your rights comes with a lot of responsibilities. You have a right to express your views, but you should take responsibility for what you say. Since when does your free speech allow you to use what you say to cause harm in any way.

In simple terms, U-jin, you can't use free speech to yell "Fire"in a crowded theater. Try it and you'll get arrested! You can't use free speech to threatened anyone. Try it and you'll find it's against the law.

In other words, U-jin, there is a limit to free speech. With your rights comes great responsibilities, and even a mentally retarded person knows this better than you. You are an embarrassment to the American people because your vulgar language only shows how brainless and very limited your vocabulary is.

Don't tell you to write how things are???? Well, U-jin, in case you didn't notice, I just did. And of course, I'm not even surprised that you didn't noticed. And if you had paid more attention to reading my post instead of acting so hysterical like an emotional little girl, you would have also noticed that I am an American and I was standing up for the US. You see what happens when you let your emotions go instead of using your intellect. Oops! Excuse me! You don't have any intellect! In fact, you don't even have a brain! LOL!!!!

[U-jin]

[Diana]

Hello U-jin,
Well, well, well.... I see that you've made a little bit of improvement in your speech. Yes, you notice that I can easily insult you without even resorting to vulgar language, so that puts me on a higher ground. And for your information, I was the one being rude. You were being obscene with the vulgar language. Big difference! Our Constititution doesn't ban rudeness, it prohibits obscenity and vulgarity especially where children are concern. Why else do we have laws placing labels prohibiting things from children that is considered vulgar or obscene?

This is an ESL website for students, and if you had bothered to actually read the posts in here, you will notice that there are teenagers in this forum. Sometimes they identify themselves by telling their age or that they are from a high school. Your language can become hurtful when you speak to a 14 year old kid using extremely obscene words to him/her. And the words that you use are extremely repulsive. If you read the previous posts in this section, you will see that YOU are the ONLY ONE who resorted to extremely repulsive, vulgar language - and all because you lost control of your emotions and became defensive.

As for the anti-Americanism, I am against it just like you. Most of the time, you will find me defending America. U-jin, I hope you understand that if you give in to your emotions and resort to vulgarity, you only make THEM look better than you. Look back at my previous post. Look back at what I said to Mandrake and Eleonorapo. Do you see them coming around? No! I have already humiliated many people who are anti-American in this forum, and I do it very effectively without resorting to vulgar words.

[dc1212]

Every country has its own culture.If you think they must fit American culture.you will be crazy!

[Diana]

[dc1212]

I quite agree with you.there are many positive things in American culture. on the other hand ,maybe it is not so ... I do not know how to describe it. so many things are related to money.

[Diana]

[Corey]

Can we get a moderator in here.
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