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[wing]

[wing]

[element105]

[asterix]

When a government promotes and supports the denigration of a foreign nation it usually has an ulterior motive.
If you are all angry at the Japanese, because of your government's propaganda, you can let off steam about the Japanese and will not be so inclined to protest about your own government's shortcomings. For example its predilection for locking up for 10 years anyone who disagrees with it.

As for Wing, who seems to think it has something to do with the colour of your skin. What a load of drivel. You are being blinded by emotion and forgetting reason.
Do you think that you can bring back the dead by an apology?
Do you think that you will know when an apology is sincere?
How will you know?
Does the Japanese PM have to commit seppuku for you to think it is sincere?
It is all about your pathetic little egos, xenophobia, manipulation by your government, and a pointless exercise in anger, envy and wooly headed thinking.
Have a nice day.

[wing]

Ah, it's so funny!

Firstly, I'd like to make a clarification that I was not going to and I have no interest in spreading hatred towards Japanese and signifying the problem of skin prejudice here. Possibly it's because you have such attitude like 'I knew it!' that leads you to jump to the wrong conclusion.

Secondly, your ignorance on the turmoil history and your feelings about the Chinese government make you sound to has a bias against the fact well known by people of millions. Of course, the governmental press reporting cannot rule out any political purposes, but that doesn't concern the victims who are vulnerable, and shouldn't be the reason that lets the Janpanese government not to face it.

And thirdly, I already know much more about my government's shortcomings than you, who don't need to remind me of it all the time. Something is not just that easy to be solved only by a group of protesters marching through a street with slogans on their hands. And it's not the problem happened only on our government. Don't scare!

Have a wonderful day!

[element105]

Asterix,we sometiomes talk about government shortcomings such as officials' corruption,but only with Chinese,I don't talk this to you,a foreigher who don't know China well and even has bias to us.And here we are talking about Japanese's crimes to in WW2 and their current attitude to those bloody atrocities.On this point,it is not our mass media who promotes the denigration of Japan,but japanese themselves,their government,their politicians and their far right extremists and their yearly celebration to those war crimes and criminals directly leading to the increasing indignation to Japan over these asian countries.

Especially these days when we have been commemorating the 60th anti-japanese war annivesary and those countless victims,there from Japan still comes out the word that koizumi has decided go on his worshipping trip to yasukuni shrine,how could we calm down as your thought?

[RedRose]

wing, you are right, asterix is very funny

asterix, it is a funny trick to cover an embarassing truth with other truth. that way, for example, when we talk about Japan and what it has done to Chinese people in last 60 years, you could draw our attention away to Chinese HongKang problem. oh, you mess everything up!

asterix, have you even been in China? feel free to visit China, especially the Northeast of China, then you will find something surprising you a lot. those evidences would astonish you.

We don't need any propaganda about Japan, we have grand, grandparents, some of whom survived that terrible disaster made by Japan. those old grandparents could tell us everything. that was not propaganda, it was just history.

[wing]

With their limited knowledge on the evolution of the country, foreigners in common are not able to distinguish loads of propaganda delivered on official web sites from real history that some of it still can be proved by witnesses. That is the same condition like in a cinema watching a foreign humour film, we commonly cannot appreicate the sense of humour as a foreigner does.

I once talked about the incident of Tiananmen's square with Diana and my dissatisfication with Chinese government on the old forum that you may forget, Asterix. It's kind of frustrating, though. And not all the things can be explained simply by words without having been to the mainland and living for at least a few years. Maybe that's why Chinese people like me are reluctant to talk openly here.
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[element105]

IMO,it's nothing about talking openly here.Talking domestic affairs to foreigners is meaningless.Should I criticise the legitimization of homosexual marriage setting out in some countries?Here,we just focus our attention on some worldwide businesses which may concern others such as the invasion of Iraq.

[asterix]

When you are annoyed, you are all very eloquent.

[RedRose]

No wonder my teacher once told me:"there are two topics that are not nice for conversations. one is politics, the other is religion."

[wing]

[Hayde]

I think many people here have to see the difference between the COUNTRY and it's PEOPLE. For example, I am Canadian, and I hate America. But I love Americans. Americans are a good people who really just want to help (even if they do it the wrong way sometimes). I have a lot of American friends. The American government is what I hate. I think this is the same for China and Japan. I have lived in China and Japan and now Korea, and Japanese people are usually kind and honest. Some are bad, the same as Canada, America, China, France, etc... Most Japanese people I met really hate what happened in the war, really! Now I also think Koizumi should stop going to the war shrine. But Koizumi is the government. Don't blame the Japanese people.
Also, China's government has a lot of problems. But it has become so much better in only 10 years I was so surprised. When I went to China to live, I was always surprised by how modern it was becoming. It still needs to change, but it is getting much better, give it time. Chinese people are extremely welcoming and friendly, even if the government isn't.
There are a lot of problems with MY country too. The government is corrupt (there is a very big scandal now), we are becoming too nationalistic, and we are one of the biggest polluters in the first world. But I still think Canadians are a good people.
Just remember that there are good and bad Chinese, Japanese, Canadian, etc. people.

[pugachevV]

Japan rules - they make the best motorcycles in the world!!

[SiR]

any country that creates something as fantastic as sushi is alright with me.

-SiR
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