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admiral

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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:26 am Post subject: |
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Americans should blame him for their bad renown in the world. |
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fooly
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I don't hate Bush, I just think he is the wrong guy in the wrong position. Because he lied too many times. This is just a little mind refresher:
Iraq disarmament crisis
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
The issue of Iraq's disarmament reached a crisis in 2002-2003, when George W. Bush demanded a complete end to alleged Iraqi production and use of weapons of mass destruction and that Iraq comply with UN Resolutions requiring UN inspectors unfettered access to areas those inspectors thought might have weapons production facilities. Under United Nations actions regarding Iraq, in place since the 1991 Gulf War, Iraq was banned from developing or possessing such weapons and was also required to permit inspections to confirm Iraqi compliance. Bush repeatedly backed demands for unfettered inspection and disarmament with threats of invasion. The Bush administration began a military buildup in the region, and pushed for the passage of UN Security Council Resolution 1441, which brought weapons inspectors led by Hans Blix and Mohamed ElBaradei to Iraq. Saddam Hussein subsequently allowed UN inspectors to access Iraqi sites, while the U.S. government continued to say that Iraq was being obstructionist.
Bush and Tony Blair met in the Portuguese Azores for an "emergency summit" over the weekend of March 15-16 2003, after which Bush declared that "diplomacy had failed" to compel Iraq to comply with UN Resolution inspection requirements, and stated his intentions to use military force to force Iraq to disarm in what was, according to the Bush administration, compliance with UN 1441. On March 19, 2003 a coalition of primarily US and British forces invaded Iraq, see 2003 Invasion of Iraq. After the war, a number of failed Iraqi peace initiatives were revealed, including a U.S. offer conditioned on the abdication of Saddam Hussein.
Because no WMD were found by the Iraq Survey Group after the invasion of Iraq, this article could also refer to the Iraq Disarmament Pseudo-crisis.
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Background
George W Bush addressed the General Assembly on September 12, 2002 to outline the complaints of the United States against the Iraqi government.
In the decade following the Gulf War in 1991, the United Nations passed 16 Security Council resolutions calling for the elimination of Iraqi production and use of weapons of mass destruction. The UN showed obvious frustration over the years that Iraq was not only failing to disarm, but was interfering with the work of weapons inspectors. Resolutions were passed and statements were released - at least once a year - calling for Iraq to disarm and fully cooperate with inspectors. On many occasions, Iraqi soldiers physically prevented weapons inspectors from doing their job and in at least one case, took documents away from the inspectors.
In 1998, U.S. President Bill Clinton expressed concerns about Iraq's failure to disarm, noting that he believed the country would give its weapons of mass destruction to other countries. Clinton also stated his belief that Saddam Hussein would eventually use these weapons - it was "only a matter of time." On September 29, 1998, the United States Congress passed the Iraq Liberation Act, which states that the U.S. intends to remove Saddam Hussein from office and replace the government with a democratic institution. The Iraq Liberation Act was signed by President Clinton on October 31, 1998. On the same day, Iraq announced it would no longer cooperate with United Nations weapons inspectors.
Clinton's plans to remove Hussein from power were put on hold when the U.N., under Kofi Annan, brokered a deal wherein Iraq would allow weapons inspectors back into the country. Iraq quit cooperating with the inspectors only days later and the inspectors left the country in December. Inspectors would return the following year as part of The United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC).
Paul Wolfowitz, the hawkish conservative military analyst for the Defense Department under Ronald Reagan, had formulated a new foreign policy with regard to Iraq and other "potential aggressor states", dismissing "containment" in favor of "preemption": strike first to eliminate threats.
This policy was short-lived, however, and Clinton, along with George H. W. Bush, Colin Powell, and other former Bush administration officials, dismissed calls for preemption in favor of continued containment. This was the policy of George W. Bush as well for his first several months in office. The September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack brought to life Wolfowitz's and other hawks' advocacy for preemptive action; Iraq was widely agreed to be a likely subject of this new policy, even though no evidence yet produced connects Iraq with these attacks. Powell continued to support the philosophy behind containment, as a moderated degree of action, and it was his advice which President Bush balanced with Wolfowitz's calls to action for a moderated approach, beginning with the US appeals to the UN which resulted in UN Security Council Resolution 1441.
During most of 2002 and into 2003, the United States government continued to call for "regime change" in Iraq and threatened to use military force to overthrow the Iraqi government unless Iraq rid itself of all weapons of mass destruction and convinced the UN that it had done so. See also Disarmament of Iraq.
US diplomatic pressure to bring Iraq to compliance with UN Security Council Resolution 1441, quickly created a diplomatic crisis in the UN, where some were in agreement with the US position, while others dissented, notably the permanent security council members France, Russia and the People's Republic of China and fellow NATO members Germany and Belgium.
United Nations actions regarding Iraq
Support and opposition for the U.S. plan to invade Iraq
US plan to invade Iraq - military plans
2003 invasion of Iraq - the actual invasion
The US had given the following reasons for its seeking to force Iraq's compliance:
That the government of Iraq has failed to produce evidence of the destruction of caches of weapons of mass destruction, i.e. biological, chemical, as well as the existence of secret programs to produce nuclear weapons.
That the government of Iraq has supported terrorist operations and groups, and is likely to supply them with weapons of mass destruction at some future point.
That the government of Iraq and its leader, Saddam Hussein, are anti-democratic and violate human rights - and has even been implicated in attempts at genocide.
Several close allies of the U.S. (e.g. Germany, Belgium and France), although mainly sharing that estimation of the United States, opposed a military intervention because they claimed that it would not decrease but increase the risk of terrorist attacks. Although the UK and governments of other members of the EU and NATO also supported the US position, opinion polls show that in general their populations were against an attack, especially an attack without clear UN Security Council support. Millions of people in the major cities of Europe, and hundreds of thousands in major cities of North America, participated in peace marches on February 15, 2003.
Issues of Concern
Missing WMD
After the invasion of Iraq, the Iraq Survey Group, headed by David Kay was formed to find WMD in Iraq. No stockpiles of WMD have yet been found in Iraq, although limited quantities of WMD have been found. Artillery shells containing sarin were discovered, and one was used as an improvised explosive device (IED), probably without the attacker's knowledge. Weapons marked for destruction by U.N. inspectors have also been discovered. Also, mobile laboratories, allegedly used to create chemical or biological weapons, were discovered shortly after the invasion, but, contrary to earlier claims, these were later demonstrated to have nothing to do with weapons production [1]. Some equipment used to refine uranium was discovered buried at a nuclear scientist's house in Baghdad.
President Bush and Prime Minister Blair have both admitted that the stockpiles of WMD have not been found, and that the intelligence was flawed.
Although some outside of Washington still believe that Iraq's WMD stockpiles are in existence somewhere, at this point there is little doubt that the WMD supposedly in Iraq were an exaggerated threat whether purposefully or through systemic incompetence. These are some of the theories that people have put forward to explain the situation.
Saddam Hussein buried the weapons and the equipment throughout Iraq. Finding them is going to be practically impossible. Supporters of the explanation say this claim is supported by the fact that several fighter jets were found buried in the sand and that equipment was found buried at a nuclear scientist's house. These supporters claim that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Saddam Hussein moved the equipment and materials into foreign countries that are neutral or friendly towards Iraq or openly aggressive towards the United States. This theory claims that the nuclear program surrendered by Libya was actually Saddam's program until Saddam moved it into Libya. Supporters of the explanation say this explanation is also supported by the fact that several key Iraqi officials fled to Syria and were later extradited. This theory does not have much support among the intelligence community or political communities.
Saddam Hussein was lied to by his advisors and generals. They reported that he had weapons and programs in operation, but in fact, there were none due to lack of funding and the embargo. This is a possibility given Saddam's brutal nature and stories told by scientists about falsifying results.
President Bush and Prime Minister Blair lied about the continued existence weapons at the time and used it as a trick to fool people into advocating a war with Iraq. They knew beforehand he no longer possessed such weapons but persuaded their intelligence agencies to support the false claim that Saddam still had WMDs and fabricated evidence that caused people to believe such. Prior to the invasion of Iraq the United States refused to supply UN weapons inspectors with intelligence showing the locations of said WMD (which the US claimed to be in possession of) arguing that it was necessary to keep that information secret, but increasing skepticism toward the administrations assertions that they were only pursuing war as a last resort. Supporters of this theory point to the false claims made by Lyndon Johnson, in support of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution as precedent.
The intelligence was faulty, and because the various countries shared information, they encouraged the myth of Saddam's WMD stores. Saddam played along with this myth and actively encouraged it, in the hopes that it would prevent an invasion. This theory is the theory that President Bush and Prime Minister Blair are supporting, and the one presented by the Iraq Survey Group. According to a report by The Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction concluded that intelligence assessments on Iraq were "dead wrong," furthermore, "The commission has found no evidence of 'politicization' of the Intelligence Community's assessments concerning Iraq's reported WMD programs." Although that conclusion is somewhat tempered by another conclusion of the report, which is that the Bush administration fostered an "environment that did not encourage skepticism about the conventional wisdom." The British government came to a similar conclusion in their report, Intelligence and Security Committee 2004-2005 Annual Report, published on April 4, 2005. [2]
The perceived U.S. position to the WMD investigation was later illustrated in an unverified document "Downing Street memo". In it, the British Head of the Secret Intelligence Service, Sir Richard Dearlove (known in official terminology as 'C') observed:
There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action. On May 18, 2005, in response to the publication of the "Downing Street memo," Paul Craig Roberts wrote an article calling for Bush's impeachment for lying to Congress about the case for war
Oil For Food Scandal
Members of France, Russia, and China's political establishment, along with some reporters, have been accused to have ties to the Oil for Food scandal by the Duelfer Report of the Iraq Survey Group. Saddam was said to have effectively bought their support against an invasion of Iraq, and bypassed key sanctions imposed by the U.N. in doing so.
The serious concerns of the war opponents arose in part from a fear of US hegemony (NATO nations with proportionately larger Muslim populations, e.g. France, Canada, disproportionately seem to have this view). However, most governments and US sympathizers state that their concern rises from the estimation that a military way of solving will foment more radical Islamism and terrorism, and question all borders in that region (especially in Kurdistan, a disputed region that demographically includes areas in Turkey, Iran and Syria as well as Iraq - see also the frequent wars between Arab nations in Middle East conflict). Perhaps most importantly it is thought to jeopardize all efforts of supporting nonviolent democratic Islam, led by moderates who are themselves generally against a war. For most war opponents, the American intention largely exceeded the fate of Iraqi disarmament. The relationship between Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden appeared forged for hiding other goals. Beyond disarmament, it was in Saudi Arabia that Bush is interested. It is in Riyadh that are the financial and strategic keys of the Middle-East.
These allies and movements preferred a diplomatic solution to disarm Iraq and supported democratization in the region (similar to Willy Brandt's Ostpolitik in the 1970s which finally led to the peaceful revolutions in the Eastern Bloc in 1989).
Other opponents of the American invasion plan argued that the US's reasons were selective and ultimately insufficient, pointing out that states that the US regards as friendly to it share some of these attributes. For example, Saudi Arabia is not a democracy and is closely connected to the terrorists who executed the attack on the WTC and The Pentagon. Also, Kuwait did not become a democracy with universal suffrage after the Gulf War. Many states have weapons of mass destruction, the US more than any other, and the US itself has not only supported terrorist operations and groups, but also engaged in terrorism itself.
Although it received only mild press attention, a March 6, 2003 report by the UN nuclear inspectors cast serious doubt of the existent and extent of a then current Iraqi nuclear program. Invasion opponents find the fact that the incriminating documents were forged particularly concerning acquisition of uranium (see Yellowcake Forgery).
Many opponents of the plan also claimed that some or all of the above claims where vastly misrepresented by the Bush administration, especially in the connection between Iraq and terrorist groups. Fundamentalist Muslim groups, at the time generally did not support Iraq, as it was a secular nation that did not enforce what they perceive as Muslim law dictated by the Qur'an - in a tape reputedly released by Osama bin Laden in February 2003 Saddam Hussein is referred to as an 'ignorant infidel' and placed only second on the list of evils, after an invasion by the United States. Some argue that of course that collaboration between them would likely result in just such a tape and it is impossible to verify that such tapes do not come from the CIA, as is widely believed about all such evidence in the Arab world. In February of 1999, the Guardian newspaper detailed historical connections between Iraq and Al-Qaeda. [4]
Although George W. Bush originally stated that existing resolutions were sufficient to justify the US launching a war, Tony Blair, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, had insisted that the UN must be involved, and it was widely believed that Colin Powell, US secretary of state, agreed strongly with this view, and that a new resolution was required.
The United States led the tumultuous effort within the United Nations to pass UN Security Council Resolution 1441, which called for sweeping new powers for weapons inspectors within Iraq and threatened "serious consequences" if Iraq failed to comply with the resolution. This measure had been successful, according to the peace faction, as Iraq had allowed inspections to continue (after a four-year hiatus) soon after the measure passed, and had responded in a timely fashion to concerns raised about it.
The head of the UN weapons inspectors team, Hans Blix, expressed skepticism over Iraq's claims to have destroyed its stockpiles of anthrax and VX nerve agent. Blix said he found it "a bit odd" that Iraq, with "one of the best-organized regimes in the Arab world," would claim to have no records of the destruction of these illegal substances. "I don't see that they have acquired any credibility," Blix said. "There has to be solid evidence of everything, and if there is not evidence, or you can't find it, I simply say, 'Sorry, I don't find any evidence,' and I cannot guarantee or recommend any confidence."
In February 2003 the effort to draft an 18th resolution in the UN Security Council was underway. It was influenced at least in part by a near-revolt inside the UK Labour Party, which has the power to remove Tony Blair as PM of the UK, and which had made clear that without another resolution, Blair would be proceeding without the support of most of the UK's voting population, which was strongly against a war including only US and UK forces.
Authority under International Law
The position of whether the invasion was legal under international law is unclear. Article 2 of the United Nations Charter forbids UN members from employing "the threat or use of force" against other states in a manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations. Two exceptions exist to the rule: self-defense (Article 51) or an authorization by the Security Council to protect international peace and security (Chapter VII).
The United States and Britain had said repeatedly that they were willing to invade Iraq with or without Security Council authorization.
There have been two military actions carried out by any nation with the approval of the Security Council. These two instances were the Korean War and the Gulf War.
The United States does not recognize the jurisdiction of any international court over its citizens or military, holding that the United States Supreme Court is the final authority. One example of this policy is that the United States did not ratify the International Criminal Court (ICC) treaty, and on May 6, 2002 it informed the UN that it has no intention to join the treaty.
As of February 24th, 2005 neither Iraq nor the United States have ratified the ICC treaty, and therefore neither the US attack on Iraq nor subsequent actions in Iraq fall under the jurisdiction of the ICC. The actions of signatories such as the United Kingdom and Spain could however fall under the ICC jurisdiction.
On March 17, 2003, Peter Goldsmith, Attorney General of the UK, set out his government's legal justification for an invasion of Iraq. He said that Security Council resolution 678 authorised force against Iraq, which was suspended but not terminated by resolution 687, which imposed continuing obligations on Iraq to eliminate its weapons of mass destruction. A material breach of resolution 687 would revive the authority to use force under resolution 678. In resolution 1441 the Security Council determined that Iraq was in material breach of resolution 687 because it had not fully carried out its obligations to disarm. Although resolution 1441 had given Iraq a final chance to comply "it is plain that Iraq has failed so to comply". Most member governments of the United Nations Security Council made clear that after resolution 1441 there still was no authorization for the use of force. [5]
The UK government made its case that Iraq had failed to disarm by releasing the September Dossier and the Dodgy Dossier.
Authority under US Constitution
The Constitution grants the power to declare war exclusively to Congress, but declares the President to be Commander in Chief of the armed forces. Because of this division of power, there has long been controversy regarding the authority of the President outside of a declared war. Nonetheless, of the hundreds of times the United States has exercised force outside its borders, only five have been as part of a declared war.
In 1973, amid increasing domestic controversy about the Vietnam War, Congress passed the War Powers Resolution to limit the ability of the president to undertake prolonged military action without Congressional authority. No president since has recognized the constitutionality of this act, and most legal scholars believe it would not survive a challenge in court.
To avoid initiating a crisis under the War Powers Resolution, the Bush Administration sought explicit approval from the Congress to exercise force in Iraq. On October 9, 2002, the Congress passed a joint resolution which explicitly authorized the President to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate.
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sandy3759
Joined: 08 Oct 2005 Posts: 5
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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from a movie it seems that his brain is empty. also I think he always speak sth nonsense in public! |
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fooly
Joined: 07 Oct 2005 Posts: 18
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:11 am Post subject: |
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sandy3759 wrote: |
from a movie it seems that his brain is empty. |
From a movie ??????? So you make your opinions out of movies? Weird. There are better ways to get informed, like reading. |
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DizBukHaPeter
Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Posts: 2 Location: Houston, Tx
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:42 am Post subject: |
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He must be referring to Micheal Moores propaganda film "Fahreinhiet 911" _________________ -Time is an idea devised by carbon based life-forms to mark their own decay- |
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fooly
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:54 am Post subject: |
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DizBukHaPeter wrote: |
He must be referring to Micheal Moores propaganda film "Fahreinhiet 911" |
yep, that's what bothers me, "propaganda film", thats what it is. Better you read the newpapers every day, Michael Moore makes a lot of money with that, he's doing something right , he's an entertainer, nothing else. ... |
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alex_007

Joined: 27 Aug 2003 Posts: 93 Location: Swansea
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:50 pm Post subject: ^&%&*(% |
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HGFJGFHJ _________________ Don't try so hard, the best things come when you least expect them to.
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alex_007

Joined: 27 Aug 2003 Posts: 93 Location: Swansea
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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Absolutely an big & dump 'A55H0LE' ;p _________________ Don't try so hard, the best things come when you least expect them to. |
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stellara

Joined: 02 Apr 2005 Posts: 583 Location: germany
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:04 am Post subject: |
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there's nothing wrong in blocking such words, i think.. this is a public forum so please watch your language.
i have seen micheal moores films too (the fahrenheit 9/11 and bowling for columbine) and i was very impressed at the beginning. because i was interested in this issue i read some newspapers online and i noticed that the point of view in these films is very limited. you just see the "anti-bush" side and not the other one. I think to judge fairly you must know all the facts, the ones which you like but also the ones wich you don't.
i do think that the main facts are true but they are partially almost twisted so that the impression the spectator gets is something like "oh, how could bush do that, it's obvious that this is a mistake..." but it's not that easy.. bush couldn't have become US president if he was that dumb. ahm, at least i hope that he can't because otherwise
greets  _________________ Don't cry because it's over - smile because it happened!
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admiral

Joined: 17 Sep 2005 Posts: 546
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Bush should have followed divine instructions while invading Afghanistan and Iran according to a report of BBC. He has told it to the palestinian delegration in june 2003.Although the White House said that this is "wrong" and "absurd", the US president has led his actions back on God's instructions several times.
The BBC refers it to an interview with the ex palestinian foreign minister. In a documentary about the Near East conflict says Shaath, that he has heared Bush saying to the palestinian head of the government in a meeting in el-Scheich, that God has ordered Bush to provide peace in the Near East, to give safety to Israel and to provide an own country for the palestinian.
In this context Bush should also have talked about the american invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq and he literally said: "A mission of God drives me. God told me: George, strike out and combat these terrorists in Afghanistan. And I did that. And then God told me: George, go and end the tyranny in Irak. And I have done this, too."
The White House disclaimed this statement of the palestinian politician expeditely. Bush should have never told these arguments, said US spokesman Scott McClellan. Premier Abbas said against it, that president Bush only stressed the "moralic and religious duty" in the Near East. Bush hadn't hidden his persuation also in the past years. In his candidature for the US-presidency he also said: "I have the feeling, that God wants it, that I candidate myself for the presidency."
Bush told to a group of religious settlers in Pennsylvania, that he is "sure, that God speaks through me." After the 11th of September 2001 he spoke shortly about a "crusade" against the enemies of America. On the top-level conversation with Blair in the last year on a ranch in Texas, on which the decision of the Iraq-invasin should fall, Bush and Blair should have bet for God's blessing in a prayer. Blair always insisted on not rejecting this rumour. The BBC published these quotaions in a three-parted TV series about the Near East. This series should start at monday and transformed the efforts for freedom from 1999 till now.
For a prove of this article, which is, unfortunately, in German, see: http://www.ksta.de/html/artikel/1125645256704.shtml
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alex_007

Joined: 27 Aug 2003 Posts: 93 Location: Swansea
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This A55hole always tells lies and takes Lord's name in vain;-( too bad for American people ! _________________ Don't try so hard, the best things come when you least expect them to. |
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bluesapphire
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I think there is a monkey in his mind that is causing him to do all this crazy things. I recommend that he take up meditate. this could help him to catch the monkey in his mind.The problem with him is that he wanted to be the most powerful man in this world.He should change his mindset before it causes any harm to his family or even the Americans.I hope that he will not go to war with another country in the future just to get the oil.Lastly I wanted to apologise to anybody who feel ofended by my opinion.  |
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*5UHEE*^^
Joined: 23 Oct 2005 Posts: 11 Location: Jeju,Korea
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:14 am Post subject: He is.... |
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I think he is very unfair.
I can't understand him
what does he want to the world??????(-_- |
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sweetny
Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 10
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:24 pm Post subject: how about your own president小泉  |
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I think your own president is as awful as BUSH _________________ Life is so beautiful!
Miracle happens everyday! |
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Hank898989
Joined: 25 Oct 2005 Posts: 79 Location: Taipei,Taiwan
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Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="asterix"]What would the leaders of China do if it had been Beijing that was attacked instead of New York?
What is Russia doing, now it has been attacked?[/quote] on pg 1
ummmm................. are u that dense?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!
Iraq had NOTHING to do witht the whole 9/11 thing. THat terrorist attack is aal the Al Quiada or whatever which is housed in Afghanastan. THe reason Bush went into Iraq is because he wanted to bbe like his daddy, he is a stupid little a$$hole, and there was a little bit of evidence that they had WMDs. THere were no WMDs, he followed his daddy, and he is still a stupid little a$$hole so i think its high tim we were out of there _________________ Taiwan is not a part of China!! |
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