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RedRose
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| asterix wrote: |
| Exactly, Rose - you are obviously a student of philosophy as well as medicine. |
why? actually, I don't like philosophy 
and I am not a student of medicine, instead, I am a teacher of medicine |
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element105
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| Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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To both of you,Asterix and Bob,Tao was the original Chinese,Chan/Zen was the mixture of Tao and introduction of Buddhism,they looked similar to each other.And the communism that I mentioned was not the one you were talking about,the Marx one,but the Chinese style one,which injected into too many eastern philosophies which of course included Zen and Tao.The idea might derive in western world though,but essentially full of eastern things.  |
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asterix
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:04 am Post subject: |
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Rose - I think medicine is not an exact science, and it is improving continually, so you still should be studying it, even though you are a teacher.
Element, I agree that the Chinese version of communism seems to work better than the Russian one, but it is still based on the ideas of Marx and Engels, as Jackie Chan and Chairman Hu would probably agree.  |
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element105
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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The sameness of Marx's and ours that I can see is the name which seems a kind of exotic to this eastern field.Philosophical essence doesn't change at all.  |
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asterix
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:56 am Post subject: |
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It seems, Element, that we finally agree on something.
I think this calls for a beer.
Cheers! |
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RedRose
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| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 5:27 am Post subject: |
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| asterix, what is "Chan and Tao"? can you tell me? |
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element105
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| Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| asterix wrote: |
It seems, Element, that we finally agree on something.
I think this calls for a beer.
Cheers! |
Um...according to Confucius' idea,"Gentlemen seek harmony but not uniformity",disputing is more worthy calling for a beer than agreeing. |
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asterix
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Rose,
The idea behind Chan (Zen) is self-realisation, the attainment of maximum potential and maximum function. This is considered to be a sort of liberation, and a kind of awakening that many of the Zen techniques are designed to provoke and develop.
It helps you to discover your true self beneath the veneer of socially imposed restrictions.
It is the essence of Buddhism, without all the ritual.
Tao is similar.
There is a book of 5000 Chinese characters called, I Ching, or Tao te Ching (I think). It starts off "The Tao that can be written is not the true Tao". Similarly, Zen cannot be explained in words. |
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asterix
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:24 am Post subject: |
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Element,
Well then, Cheers to Kung Fu Tsu! |
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RedRose
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| asterix wrote: |
Rose,
The idea behind Chan (Zen) is self-realisation, the attainment of maximum potential and maximum function. This is considered to be a sort of liberation, and a kind of awakening that many of the Zen techniques are designed to provoke and develop.
It helps you to discover your true self beneath the veneer of socially imposed restrictions.
It is the essence of Buddhism, without all the ritual.
Tao is similar.
There is a book of 5000 Chinese characters called, I Ching, or Tao te Ching (I think). It starts off "The Tao that can be written is not the true Tao". Similarly, Zen cannot be explained in words. |
thanks, asterix, for your explanation!
I wonder why you know Chinese history so much. I know you are an American guy. did you major in Chinese history? |
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element105
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| actually,asterix,daodejing(the Chinese pronunciation) could be interpreted in not only one way if you read it in Chinese,that' the charm |
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element105
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| he's canadian,rr |
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element105
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| asterix wrote: |
| There is a book of 5000 Chinese characters called, I Ching, or Tao te Ching (I think). It starts off "The Tao that can be written is not the true Tao". Similarly, Zen cannot be explained in words. |
And I Ching and Tao te ching are not the same book. |
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asterix
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks Element. Unfortunately, in the west we have become very materialistic and that is the source of some of our troubles. |
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RedRose
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| element, Tao means DaoDeJing, what about Chan? |
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