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ad-miral
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I said Tibet was poor in a "humane" aspect, because it has been comquered again and again. So, neither financial nor spiritual.
Yes the PROC actions was the same as the English actions, both are unacceptable.
(which other examples did you give?)
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KHF
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beancurdturtle
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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There are much more if you dig, but even more are those you can never find, thanks to information control. |
And the only government administration that is better at information control than the Chinese, would be the Bush Administration in the U.S. They are so good, that most Americans do not realize they are being fed misinformation, opinion, and propaganda instead of objective truth.
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KHF
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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I agree. Then again, the American government has nothing to do with this thread.
Just because something sucks comparatively less doesn't mean it's good. |
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ad-miral
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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I agree, too.
We are talking about culture of China, so the American government has at least as much to do with China as Tibet.
We can surely talk about the measures how America tried to stop the economical growth of China, but this is not the culture of China. If you want to talk about it please make up another thread.
One own impression of my culture is that there are a lot of minority groups in the provinces, for example Dai Minority in Yunnan Province. Minority girls look very good, I know one.
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ltp-008
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| beancurdturtle wrote: |
| KHF wrote: |
There are much more if you dig, but even more are those you can never find, thanks to information control. |
And the only government administration that is better at information control than the Chinese, would be the Bush Administration in the U.S. They are so good, that most Americans do not realize they are being fed misinformation, opinion, and propaganda instead of objective truth. |
It is very interesting that you said that the States is better at information control than China,what do you mean?
Do you mean that the State doesn't have freedom of press,freedom of speech or something else?
Do you mean that the States censors and filters media contents ?
Do you mean that the States blocks many oversea Internet Websites?
Do you mean that the states don't let media to report break news?
Do you mean that the States doesn't give freedom for some bad people to commit crime?
Do you mean that CIA and FBI don't tell you what they are doing when they are investigating some confidential cases?
If you think that the States is worse than China at information control ,you should provide facts or some credible examples comparing with China in these aspects to prove your statements,otherwise you just made a meaningless statement in which showed your trait as extreme leftist . |
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ieltsinsider
Joined: 16 May 2006
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:04 pm Post subject: to KHF and Red Rose |
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KHF - You claim that the US government controls the media in the US. Really? So why do some parts of the media support GWB whilst others don't? Doesn't make sense!
Red Rose - You say that people should make nice, polite posts, but look at your own, particularly where you insult me for even mentioning the question of Taiwan. You have received warnings from the moderator for your impoliteness. You still claim that I am concealing my nationality. I am not. I just don't see what my nationality has to do with the thread. I have asked you to explain the relevance of my nationality and you have refused.
KHF - If you are looking at how Chinese people deal with 'objective truth', read some more of Red Rose's posts. The answer is, they don't! Americans, for all their faults, are far better at dealing with the truth. |
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beancurdturtle
Joined: 23 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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I will answer your questions here. The references and discussion probably belongs in a different thread.
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| It is very interesting that you said that the States [U.S. Government] is better at information control than China,what do you mean? |
Briefly - the U.S. government is more media savvy. They have many media experts on staff. They are good at crafting half truth and information that is easier for people with poor critical thinking and research skills to believe.
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| Do you mean that the State [U.S. Government] doesn't have freedom of press,freedom of speech or something else? |
Yes. To some extent, this is true (try "free speech zones" in google).
| ltp-008 wrote: |
| Do you mean that the States [U.S. Government] censors and filters media contents? |
Yes - and they control events to prevent the story they don't want reported from being noticed.
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| Do you mean that the States [U.S. Government] blocks many oversea Internet Websites? |
No. It's not necessary. 90% of people in the U.S. are hypnotized by television so will never make the effort to find objective information from overseas sources.
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| Do you mean that the states [U.S. Government] don't let media to report break news? |
Yes. The U.S. Government controls (or attempts to control) any news that may make them look bad. If it does get reported, then the U.S. Government does everything it can to discredit the source.
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| Do you mean that the States [U.S. Government] doesn't give freedom for some bad people to commit crime? |
I'm sorry - I don't understand this question.
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| Do you mean that CIA and FBI don't tell you what they are doing when they are investigating some confidential cases? |
Yes, they do not tell. How many years did it take (for example) for George Bush to admit that secret CIA prisons exist in other countries?
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| If you think that the States is worse than China at information control ,you should provide facts or some credible examples comparing with China in these aspects to prove your statements,otherwise you just made a meaningless statement in which showed your trait as extreme leftist . |
This isn't the thread for an in-depth discussion of the shortcomings of the Bush Administration. My statements have meaning, and I can deliver documentation if I think it's necessary. Here I am just offering my opinion based on things I know to be true.
I am not an extreme leftist. I am a fiscal and domestic policy conservative - whereas the Bush administration is full of radicals. And I am a foreign and social policy progressive - whereas the Bush Administration is full of faith and ideology blinded reactionaries.
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KHF
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| Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:56 am Post subject: Re: to KHF and Red Rose |
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| ieltsinsider wrote: |
| KHF - You claim that the US government controls the media in the US. Really? So why do some parts of the media support GWB whilst others don't? Doesn't make sense! |
Information control isn't restricted to just criticism against polictical leaders. Certainly not *all* the media is controlled by the US government but there are plenty that are. For just a tiny example, the US government long has the tradition of financially funding dissident voices in contries like Cuba. You might argue that this is the lesser evil compares to what China does and might do the target country some good in the long run. I agree, but that's not my point. My point is that the function of the media should be purely for providing information. When it is being motivated financially or by any other external forces from the government, it has lost its neutrality and credibility. It becomes propaganda.
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| KHF - If you are looking at how Chinese people deal with 'objective truth', read some more of Red Rose's posts. The answer is, they don't! Americans, for all their faults, are far better at dealing with the truth. |
Believe or not, I've probably looked at far more cases of how Chinese people deal with objective truth than you have. Most of their mistakes however, are not intentional. Rather, it's because of the lack of knowledge in the matter caused by the lack of information. Now, if you look at the number of Americans who have absolutely no idea about the history of US involvement in the Middle East dating all the way back to the day WWII ended, you would realize there are just as many ignorant Americans as there are ignorant Chinese.
There are a fraction of people that are very emotional when confronted though. What you need to do is to calm them down first and then attempt to explain (an ability that I unfortunately lack). I'm not trying to say anyone here is of any type of personality, so please don't jump into conclusion. |
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ad-miral
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| Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:59 am Post subject: |
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KHF - You claim that the US government controls the media in the US. Really? So why do some parts of the media support GWB whilst others don't? Doesn't make sense!
Red Rose - You say that people should make nice, polite posts, but look at your own, particularly where you insult me for even mentioning the question of Taiwan. You have received warnings from the moderator for your impoliteness. You still claim that I am concealing my nationality. I am not. I just don't see what my nationality has to do with the thread. I have asked you to explain the relevance of my nationality and you have refused.
KHF - If you are looking at how Chinese people deal with 'objective truth', read some more of Red Rose's posts. The answer is, they don't! Americans, for all their faults, are far better at dealing with the truth. |
I also know an American guy in another forum who also says in such a tone. I consider it as extreme ignorant, to say that a nation is far better than another nation.
And sorry what is GWB?
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RedRose
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| Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:33 pm Post subject: Re: to KHF and Red Rose |
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| ieltsinsider wrote: |
| Red Rose - You say that people should make nice, polite posts, but look at your own, particularly where you insult me for even mentioning the question of Taiwan. You have received warnings from the moderator for your impoliteness. You still claim that I am concealing my nationality. I am not. I just don't see what my nationality has to do with the thread. I have asked you to explain the relevance of my nationality and you have refused. |
Come on!!!  I insult you? how come!! you are the funniest one! I love you most!
I have explained that why you shouldn't conceal your nationality on that thread as well as on this thread for at least twice. but sadly, you are just an eternal coward, I know you just would conceal it forever, that would make you safer , don't worry, I can understand your pain and your fear.
I didn't receive any warning from the mod. Lori is a friendly woman, unlike you Lori told me:"how about you tell your idea, without suggesting something like seeing a doctor?" I promised no longer to suggest that. and that's a warning? No, dear, that's a conversation between two friends. sorry that you took it as a warning. maybe that's why I think your heart is dirty
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| I'm not trying to say anyone here is of any type of personality, so please don't jump into conclusion. |
see? ieltsinsider? that's what quality you just lack!! and that's exactly what you should learn!! dear ieltsinsider, you are just the one who is the most emotional and personal.
Have a nice day. |
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KHF
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| Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| My friendly advice to anyone who's going to comment in this thread: focus on the discussion without resorting to name calling. If you feel it's on the level of personal attack then just ignore it. Just a suggestion. |
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RedRose
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| Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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Although I disagree about some viewpints of KHF, but I enjoy reading his postings. because he always talks about things reasonably.
On this forum, many members are very reasonable, such as Beancurdturtle, Bob, asterix, CP, Admiral.... they make this forum very intelligent and intersting. |
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ieltsinsider
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| Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:16 pm Post subject: none |
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KHF - You can claim that any newspaper, TV channel, etc, is biased. Truly objective media simply doesn't exist. However, if you cannot see the difference between the bias of the Chinese media (free to state government policy) and the American media (free to say almost anything), then there's not much hope.
My point about Red Rose's posts is that she actually stated that her way of debating was NOT to debate facts/opinions, but to attack the person making the point. You agree with that, I now presume. Very sad.
The idea of ignoring personal attacks is very noble, but think about how it pans out. If you ignore personal attacks, people will think that they are true.
Ad-miral - So you would think I was extremely ignorant if I said that Chinese people are better at table tennis than Zambians? |
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beancurdturtle
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| Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: none |
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| ieltsinsider wrote: |
The idea of ignoring personal attacks is very noble, but think about how it pans out. If you ignore personal attacks, people will think that they are true.
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If no references or proof are offered to support a personal attack, why would any discriminating person think a personal attack was true?
If the attack is ignored, why would an unfounded assertion (the personal attack) be given any more merit?
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