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Diana
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uh,so that means you accept the negative side do exists. 
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The negative side is that US troops are being attacked by those who supported Saddam and al-Queda who are in Iraq.
The postive side is that those attacking the US troops are in the MINORITY. The Iraqis are just as angry at the Saddam supporters and al-Queda who pretend they care about the Iraqi people. But the people are not stupid. They know that al-Queda is blowing up the electiricity and water supply. Destroying the electricity and water supply is an attack on the Iraqi people. The US troops are the ones trying to restore the electricity and water supply to the Iraqi people.
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Base on my supposition,yours words above dont stand up.In my supposition,all of that could be created by the US intelligence.The purpose in doing that is make the distribution of global profits tends to the US.So far,it is successful.The US troops stay in Afghanistan--the military important place,now the US occupies Iraq and go on controls the crude oil of Iraq.Bin Laden has taken so much profits to the US. You should appreciate the devil  |
My words stand up more than you think. As you can see, I am not even trying to convince you about anything on Bin Laden. I am simply telling you to do your own research.
In your supposition, you think that all could be created by the US intelligence? If that is the case, then I can see why you support Osama Bin Laden. Yes, the US troops stay in AFghanistan because they are still looking for Bin Laden, and they will continue to remain there until they find him. And in case you haven't notice, Pakistan is also helping the US look for him. Yet, I see that you complain so much about the US being in Afghanistan. Why is that, Somuch? Are you afraid that the US would find Bin Laden? Do you prefer that the US allow Bin Laden to go free? Is that the real reason you want the US to leave? So Bin Laden would be allowed to roam free to kill the Americans and oppress the Afghan people? Do you really hate the Americans so much that you are willing to allow a terrorist like Bin Laden to go free?
Is that also the reason why you didn't want the US to invade Iraq? Do you hate the Americans so much that you were willing to sacrifice the entire Iraqi people to Saddam's brutalities just so America will not take out evil Saddam? Is that why you prefer Saddam to continue to rule Iraq?
You should live under Saddam so you can appreciate what the Iraqis endured while Saddam ruled over them. |
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somuch
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| Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 7:11 am Post subject: |
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The negative side is that US troops are being attacked by those who supported Saddam and al-Queda who are in Iraq..........You should live under Saddam so you can appreciate what the Iraqis endured while Saddam ruled over them. |
I'm so sorry to read your words above.  why you always distort my words? 
Therefore I repeat my position serious :I total agree with the action of international anti-terrorism .I agog to see Bin Laden be arrested and adjudged.And I love the people in the US and Iraq.Can you find any words which said I hate them?Please learn these words by heart and remember never try to distort my words. 
The US people and the US government are separate parts.Actually I don't like the Bush administration,I consider Clinton is much better than Bush and expect Kerry win the election.Bush is warlike just like a western cowboy shoot anybody who he doesn't like.Though I don't like Bush but I also consider the Americans are love peace .So I love Americans.
Saddam is evil.I 'm very glad to see him crumples up .Only one thing bother me is the US troops remain there.I still consider the Iraqi people will live better after the US troops withdraw. 
How long will the US troops remain in Afghanistan if they cant find Bin Laden?
 Please research all my replies carefully.All of them are talk about the US troops stay overseas .I don't think the US is allowed to do so.It looks like the US is the only which can above the international law and the UN,the only one which can send the Marines anywhere whthout permit.It turns to be the international cop.If Russia send its troops to Cuba .What do you think the US government going on to do?
Please read it carefully and please don't distort my words again and again?   |
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mehrezsassi
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| Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 10:27 am Post subject: |
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The carnage we are watching in Iraq these days and may be for years to come is basically waged for oil and nothing but oil . At first it was the big lie : Weapons of Massive Destruction and a very probable link with Al-qaeda and then " everything is allowed to protect our nation" "we are not going to wait who is who and which is which to decide on behalf" " Saddam can strike within 45 minutes" " God what an extermination waiting for us ."
None of them talked about the strife of Iraqis and how at a time Saddam was the spoiled child who fought an Ayet-Allah threatening revolution with an American armada . There should be a pretext then , one that should justify the killing of women and children , that would justify the revenge . But where have all those WMD gone ? "oh! sorry there should have been a mistake , but we are here to "liberate" the people. " It only required a slight modification and the play is perfectly going on .
"Ok now people are free , business is business" "in Dollar we trust," " our interests , oil pipes" " what about people ?" "they will be taken care " "What's the hell are you talking about ?Musuems !? Looting!? secure oil pipes , pipes , any pipe ."
If you want to eat a frog you should look for a juicy one - a disgustung African proverb , as disgusting as the photos from that prison in Baghdad-
the frog is ranking third position in the World's Oil Known Reserves with only 112 Billion Barrels " are we going to wait till those barbarians living in the desert bestow on us ." " We are Yanks , come on guys they should Know that we are Yanks.
That was the play , and those are the playwrights , but who are the actors? Slaughterers and victims acting in a gloomy and bloody setting which draws them both to be victims .
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" There will be an average of 2% annual growth in global demand over the years ahead ,along with ,conservatively , a 3% natural decline in production from existing reserves . That means by 2010 we will need an additional 50 million barrels a day approximately, the equivalent to reserves of more than six Saudi Arabias."
*beep* Cheney, Haliburton Oil 1999 |
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mehrezsassi
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The carnage we are watching in Iraq these days and may be for years to come is basically waged for oil and nothing but oil . At first it was the big lie : Weapons of Massive Destruction and a very probable link with Al-qaeda and then " everything is allowed to protect our nation" "we are not going to wait who is who and which is which to decide on behalf" " Saddam can strike within 45 minutes" " God what an extermination waiting for us ."
None of them talked about the strife of Iraqis and how at a time Saddam was the spoiled child who fought an Ayet-Allah threatening revolution with an American armada . There should be a pretext then , one that should justify the killing of women and children , that would justify the revenge . But where have all those WMD gone ? "oh! sorry there should have been a mistake , but we are here to "liberate" the people. " It only required a slight modification and the play is perfectly going on .
"Ok now people are free , business is business" "in Dollar we trust," " our interests , oil pipes" " what about people ?" "they will be taken care " "What's the hell are you talking about ?Musuems !? Looting!? secure oil pipes , pipes , any pipe ."
If you want to eat a frog you should look for a juicy one - a disgustung African proverb , as disgusting as the photos from that prison in Baghdad-
the frog is ranking third position in the World's Oil Known Reserves with only 112 Billion Barrels " are we going to wait till those barbarians living in the desert bestow on us ." " We are Yanks , come on guys they should Know that we are Yanks.
That was the play , and those are the playwrights , but who are the actors? Slaughterers and victims acting in a gloomy and bloody setting which draws them both to be victims .
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" There will be an average of 2% annual growth in global demand over the years ahead ,along with ,conservatively , a 3% natural decline in production from existing reserves . That means by 2010 we will need an additional 50 million barrels a day approximately, the equivalent to reserves of more than six Saudi Arabias."
*beep* Cheney, Haliburton Oil 1999 |
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Diana
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I'm so sorry to read your words above. why you always distort my words?
Therefore I repeat my position serious :I total agree with the action of international anti-terrorism .I agog to see Bin Laden be arrested and adjudged.And I love the people in the US and Iraq.Can you find any words which said I hate them?Please learn these words by heart and remember never try to distort my words.
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Yes, that is what they all say. You say that you agree with the action of the international anti-terrorism; so why do you complain about the US staying in Afghanistan? Don't you even know the reason the Americans are there in Afghanistan? It's all over the TV and news. They tell you everyday that they are still searching the mountains between Pakistan and Afghanistan, looking for Bin Laden. And what do you do? You compain about the US staying in Afghanistan. You want the US to give up the search for Bin Laden? And now you're saying that you don't like Bin Laden. If you honestly don't like Bin Laden, then why would you prefer to allow the US who is searching for Bin Laden to leave Afghanistan?
As for Iraq, the US have now captured Saddam. Now, you want the US to leave the Iraqi people with no government, no water, and no electricity. And you think that is the best thing to do? Take out Saddam, and leave the people without a government to help and protect them and without electricity and running water and with broken buildings? And then people like you will blame the United States for leaving Iraq without helping the Iraqi people REBUILD their country!!! If you really think that the US was there for oil, then you don't know very much about current events. If the US really wanted the oil of Iraq, then the easiest way to get it was to lift the sanctions rather than go through a costly war. After all, the United States was ALREADY GETTING OIL FROM IRAQ through the oil-for-food program. If they wanted more oil, all they had to do was get rid of the sanctions. That was the easiest way to get Iraq's oil.
And why are you worried about the fighting going on in Iraq? Saddam murdered millions of his own people and no one was worried. So why worry about how the Americans are treating the Iraqis?
Well, you don't need to worry, Somuch. The Americans are deliberately targetting the militia and they've already killed many of Sadr's men. Why do you think Sadr is already trying to make a deal with the US troops. Gee, why didn't Sadr fight to the death? Why make a deal with US troops? Why is he hiding in a sacred mosque? Why don't he come out and fight like a man? And most importantly, why isn't the Iraqi people supporting him? There are 25 million people in Iraq, and Sadr only has 1000 fighters????? Most of these fighters are NOT EVEN IRAQIS, but Arabs from another country. How pathetic! Goes to show how much the Iraqi people is supporting him, doesn't it?
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Diana
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The carnage we are watching in Iraq these days and may be for years to come is basically waged for oil and nothing but oil . At first it was the big lie : Weapons of Massive Destruction and a very probable link with Al-qaeda and then " everything is allowed to protect our nation" "we are not going to wait who is who and which is which to decide on behalf" " Saddam can strike within 45 minutes" " God what an extermination waiting for us ."
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Actually, it was Tony Blair who said that "Saddam can strike within 45 minutes." You do know who Tony Blair is, do you? There is a difference between George Bush and Tony Blair. You see, Tony Blair is the Prime Minister of Great Britian and George Bush is the President of the United States. I hope you are not confused about the US and Great Britian. But in case you are, Great Britain is located in Europe and the United States is located in North America. I hope that clarifies your confusion.
Now that you know the difference between Blair and Bush and between the US and Great Britian, yes, it was Tony Blair the Prime Minister of Great Britian who stated that Saddam can strike within 45 minutes. George Bush never said such thing. If you had read all of Bush's speech, he actually said that Saddam was a future threat.
And if you think the US lied about the weapons of mass destruction that Saddam had, then you should also accuse the United Nations for lying. You see, the UN also demanded that Saddam should get rid of the weapons of mass destruction (weapons that you say don't exist). Yes, that's right. It was the UN who demanded that Saddam get rid of these weapons. Why do you think there was a UN sanctions in Iraq for 12 years? In fact, almost everyone in the entire world believed that Saddam had those weapons. Why? Because we all know that Saddam used chemicals on his own people as well as on Iranian troops and because we all know that it was the US, France, Russia, Germany, and Great Britain who gave him those weapons. Or perhaps..... since no WMD was found in Iraq, then I guess the chemical weapons that the US gave him in the 1980s was just a figment of everyone's imagination?  |
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somuch
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Yes, that is what they all say........Why don't he come out and fight like a man? And most importantly, why isn't the Iraqi people supporting him? There are 25 million people in Iraq, and Sadr only has 1000 fighters????? Most of these fighters are NOT EVEN IRAQIS, but Arabs from another country. How pathetic! Goes to show how much the Iraqi people is supporting him, doesn't it? |
Of course I agree with the action of the international anti-terrorism.The action must be base on the least death.Since war in Iraq,at least 10,000 Iraqi civilians and 700 US Marines die in the fight.How do you think about this bloody truth.
I found something so funny that you always parry negative side such as the scandal of abuse detainees in Abu Ghraib.You always consider people live in the other country can't live good without the 'help' of American.So you consider to occupy the Iraq is perfectly justified .You also consider it's no need to withdraw the troops in Afghanistan even if they can't find Bin Laden fifty years later.That's very very absurd.It 's the logic of bandits. A strong man speaks to his weak neighbor 'Something of mine is in your room now.I won't leave till I find it.' 
There are thousands countrise in the world.Now the US want to be the king of these countries,and this is the exact point you parry all the time. |
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Diana
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Of course I agree with the action of the international anti-terrorism.The action must be base on the least death.Since war in Iraq,at least 10,000 Iraqi civilians and 700 US Marines die in the fight.How do you think about this bloody truth.
I found something so funny that you always parry negative side such as the scandal of abuse detainees in Abu Ghraib.You always consider people live in the other country can't live good without the 'help' of American.So you consider to occupy the Iraq is perfectly justified .You also consider it's no need to withdraw the troops in Afghanistan even if they can't find Bin Laden fifty years later.That's very very absurd.It 's the logic of bandits. A strong man speaks to his weak neighbor 'Something of mine is in your room now.I won't leave till I find it.'
There are thousands countrise in the world.Now the US want to be the king of these countries,and this is the exact point you parry all the time. |
First of all, there is no number showing that 10,000 Iraqi civilians died from the American bombing. It was also difficult to count the number of civilians dead because these civilians were actually Iraqi soldiers dressed as civilians to try to fool the American and British troops. Also, 700 Americans were not killed. It was actually much less than that.
Secondly, if 10,000 Iraqi civilians were actually killed in the Iraq war, well then I have some bloody truth for you! Saddam murdered more than 1 million people. And I don't hear you crying over the murder of 1 million people. Instead, I hear you complain about the deaths the Americans cause. And to top that off, YOU even stated: Of course I agree with the action of the international anti-terrorism.The action must be base on the least death. In the 1980s, I wanted Saddam to be taken out. In 1991, I still wanted Saddam to be taken out, and I believe the UN and the United States made a huge mistake not taking him out when they had the chance and opportunity to do so at that time. In 2003, I haven't changed my mind. I still wanted Saddam out in 2003 because I've always known what an evil person he was. In 2003, where did you stand?
In the third place, you stated: Of course I agree with the action of the international anti-terrorism.The action must be base on the least death. Okay! So, you prefer an action based on the LEAST death. Saddam murdered more than 1 million people, so what is your solution? Is it the same solution as the United Nations? The United Nations and the international community already gave Saddam 12 years to get rid of his weapons of mass destruction. And during those 12 years, he tortured and murdered millions of people. So, what is the solution? Give Saddam another 12 years? Saddam already killed more than 1 million people. How many more people must die for the international community to suddenly realizes that so many have already died? Are they waiting for Saddam to kill 5 million more or maybe 10 million? How many must die? If the United Nations and the international community really cared about suffering people rather than those stupid weapons of mass destruction, then there wouldn't be any argument as to whether Saddam should go or not! Instead, the UN and the international community is more concern about WMD rather than HUMAN RIGHTS! So much for taking action on the LEAST death!
In the fourth place, where in any of my post did I ever condone the abuse of the Iraqi prisoners?
Finally, the Americans were not in Afghanistan looking for Saddam for 50 years, so I have no idea where you got that false information. The Americans were there for only 3 years. Yes, that's right 3 years - not 50 years. They were there in 2001 after the September 11th attacks. Also, the people of Afghanistan are not even telling the Americans to leave. In fact, they are asking for more outside help, which they are not getting from the international community. As for Iraq, the American will leave once there is a stable government there because that is the right thing to do. Leaving a country WITHOUT a stable government would be the wrong thing to do. The US and its coaliton forces are helping to rebuild Iraq just as they rebuilt Japan and Germany after World War II. Japan is also there helping to rebuild Iraq by restoring electricity, water, education, health, etc to the Iraqi people. The Americans are doing the same. And when there is a democracy in Iraq (the heart of the Middle East), then the rest of the Arab world can finally see that the REAL problems in their countries are their greedy and selfish dictators who would rather spend the money on themselves rather than on helping their people. |
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somuch
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| Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 1:46 am Post subject: |
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First of all, there is no number showing that 10,000 Iraqi civilians died from the American bombing. It was also difficult to count the number of civilians dead because these civilians were actually Iraqi soldiers dressed as civilians to try to fool the American and British troops. Also, 700 Americans were not killed. It was actually much less than that.........The Americans are doing the same. And when there is a democracy in Iraq (the heart of the Middle East), then the rest of the Arab world can finally see that the REAL problems in their countries are their greedy and selfish dictators who would rather spend the money on themselves rather than on helping their people.
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The 1 million people murdered by Saddam has already dead,Dead body can't relive.But we can turn away the lives die in fight.If the US withdraw right now ,there are many people both Iraqis and Americans can survive .
Do you think 10,000 is a little number for 1 million?So you consider it's okey that any country can kill Iraqi people so as the number of death is less than 1 million,is that your logic?What a terrible logic! It 's excessive ego!
You mentioned about the US rebuilt Japan and Germany after World War II .Well ,there are more than fifty years past and the US troops are still in Japan and Germany.I don's know how long will they leave.So what 's your opinion?When will the US government withdraw from Germany ,Japan ,Iraq ,Korea ,ect ?If there is another fifty years or even more?
There are thousands countries in the world.Now the US want to be the king ,and this's the exact point you parry all the time. |
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Diana
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Yes, the Americans still have their base in Japan and Germany. They have also withdrew their bases from the Philippines and Saudi Arabia and are even in the process of withdrawing from South Korea. So, what's your point????
As for the Japanese and the Germans, they elect their own leaders. They have free speech and free religion. They are able to protest and demonstrate without fear. I hope the same for the Iraqi people. And I hope someday that North Korea and all oppressed people will also feel freedom so they can express what they feel without fear of being killed for it. I hope someday that they will have free elections so they can elect a leader on their own, live better lives, and value freedom just like the Japanese and the Germans. |
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somuch
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Yes, the Americans still have their base in Japan and Germany. They have also withdrew their bases from the Philippines and Saudi Arabia and are even in the process of withdrawing from South Korea. So, what's your point????
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Actually,the US troops in korea are relieving guard.You can research it yourself.The US never think about to withdraw troops from Japan,Germany,Korea.
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As for the Japanese and the Germans, they elect their own leaders. They have free speech and free religion. They are able to protest and demonstrate without fear. I hope the same for the Iraqi people. And I hope someday that North Korea and all oppressed people will also feel freedom so they can express what they feel without fear of being killed for it. I hope someday that they will have free elections so they can elect a leader on their own, live better lives, and value freedom just like the Japanese and the Germans.
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Do you ever think about the 'freedom' you said is built on the humiliating invasion.Do you want get the freedom like this?In my opinion,Iraqi people want to get the freedom by their uprising,not by foreigner's invasion.Exactly,the invasion caused the fight till now.
In your position,once Americans lose their free,they other countries can invade the US and free the them without any permission,and then Americans will have free elections so they can elect a leader on their own, live better lives, and value freedom .Is that your point?  |
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mehrezsassi
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| Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 11:27 am Post subject: |
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The carnage we are watching in Iraq these days and may be for years to come is basically waged for oil and nothing but oil . At first it was the big lie : Weapons of Massive Destruction and a very probable link with Al-qaeda and then " everything is allowed to protect our nation" "we are not going to wait who is who and which is which to decide on behalf" " Saddam can strike within 45 minutes" " God what an extermination waiting for us ."
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Actually, it was Tony Blair who said that "Saddam can strike within 45 minutes." You do know who Tony Blair is, do you? There is a difference between George Bush and Tony Blair. You see, Tony Blair is the Prime Minister of Great Britian and George Bush is the President of the United States. I hope you are not confused about the US and Great Britian. But in case you are, Great Britain is located in Europe and the United States is located in North America. I hope that clarifies your confusion.
Now that you know the difference between Blair and Bush and between the US and Great Britian, yes, it was Tony Blair the Prime Minister of Great Britian who stated that Saddam can strike within 45 minutes. George Bush never said such thing. If you had read all of Bush's speech, he actually said that Saddam was a future threat.
And if you think the US lied about the weapons of mass destruction that Saddam had, then you should also accuse the United Nations for lying. You see, the UN also demanded that Saddam should get rid of the weapons of mass destruction (weapons that you say don't exist). Yes, that's right. It was the UN who demanded that Saddam get rid of these weapons. Why do you think there was a UN sanctions in Iraq for 12 years? In fact, almost everyone in the entire world believed that Saddam had those weapons. Why? Because we all know that Saddam used chemicals on his own people as well as on Iranian troops and because we all know that it was the US, France, Russia, Germany, and Great Britain who gave him those weapons. Or perhaps..... since no WMD was found in Iraq, then I guess the chemical weapons that the US gave him in the 1980s was just a figment of everyone's imagination? |
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mehrezsassi
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Dear Daina there 4 things that I will never make difference between them
the USA , Britain , Israel and the United Nations . ( I don't know why I always have an anology between the US famous veto and the UN and I don't see any reson to make difference between Bush and Blair)
I would like to thank you for the geography lesson that you teach me , you know we are here living in NORTH AFRICA in the dense forests with tigers and elephants and we don't actually know the west from the east .
But I actually know you well your country , your culture , your society and your history from the first settlements , the AMERICAN REVOLUTION , The Articles of Confederation , the Civil war , Post war US, up to MONIKA !!! .
Every time while I was conducting resaerches on your history at university
or when I was teaching English to my students at high school-it is rather paradoxical , you teach me and I am a teacher-I felt some sympathy and pity for the courageous Americans fighting the British Monarch to be free like those killed in Boston Massacre , I bowed to Harriet B.Stow
Abraham Lincoln , and to all who said no for slavary and I talked proudly about Eisenhower and his courage . Nowadays the image is marred extremism pushes to extremism and violence breeds violence , we have lost credibility and we are really disappointed because America was the model and the dream for us .
But the story is not all gloom and doom , I always believe in the people you and me Diana , the Palestinians and the Israelis , Yanks and Africans
Pakis and Indians , all the people . If you go back in The US history and specifically in the early 50s , you will see how Mackarthyism troubled the Us society as much as terrorism is frightening Americans those days
this proves that such era of war on terrorism and "Islamophobia " is just ephemeral and the whole history will be to the peoples only the peoples .
By the way Diana , I will be in Boston in July , I was invited by the University of the Middle East and I will share a room with an Israeli , you see I told you that all the history will be ours . |
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Diana
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Dear Daina there 4 things that I will never make difference between them
the USA , Britain , Israel and the United Nations . ( I don't know why I always have an anology between the US famous veto and the UN and I don't see any reson to make difference between Bush and Blair)
I would like to thank you for the geography lesson that you teach me , you know we are here living in NORTH AFRICA in the dense forests with tigers and elephants and we don't actually know the west from the east .
But I actually know you well your country , your culture , your society and your history from the first settlements , the AMERICAN REVOLUTION , The Articles of Confederation , the Civil war , Post war US, up to MONIKA !!! .
Every time while I was conducting resaerches on your history at university
or when I was teaching English to my students at high school-it is rather paradoxical , you teach me and I am a teacher-I felt some sympathy and pity for the courageous Americans fighting the British Monarch to be free like those killed in Boston Massacre , I bowed to Harriet B.Stow
Abraham Lincoln , and to all who said no for slavary and I talked proudly about Eisenhower and his courage . Nowadays the image is marred extremism pushes to extremism and violence breeds violence , we have lost credibility and we are really disappointed because America was the model and the dream for us .
But the story is not all gloom and doom , I always believe in the people you and me Diana , the Palestinians and the Israelis , Yanks and Africans
Pakis and Indians , all the people . If you go back in The US history and specifically in the early 50s , you will see how Mackarthyism troubled the Us society as much as terrorism is frightening Americans those days
this proves that such era of war on terrorism and "Islamophobia " is just ephemeral and the whole history will be to the peoples only the peoples .
By the way Diana , I will be in Boston in July , I was invited by the University of the Middle East and I will share a room with an Israeli , you see I told you that all the history will be ours . |
First of all, Mehrezsassi, you don't know my history at all. I am NOT from the US mainland. I don't even live there. I am an Asian/Pacific Islander who lives in the lands of my own people. And you are right, American history is not all gloom and doom. And all is not lost as it seem. Although I am not from the US mainland, like you I have also visited the United States. Recently, I have returned from Washington DC, and there are many Americans I have met there who are very nice. In fact, there are many ethnic groups in America and many religious groups in America who are very nice people. Only history will determine America's actions in Iraq. |
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Diana
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Actually,the US troops in korea are relieving guard.You can research it yourself.The US never think about to withdraw troops from Japan,Germany,Korea.
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The US never think about withdraw troops from Korea? Actually, they have thought about it, Somuch. They've considered that as an OPTION, and there are many Americans who want US troops out of South Korea. I actually feel the same way. I also want the Americans entirely out of South Korea, and I want them to take their nuclear weapons with them. I don't think they should leave it to South Korea. I don't see why the Americans should die for South Korea when both North and South want REUNIFICATION. After all, that's what North Korea really wants. They want the US to completely withdraw and take their nuclear weapons with him.
Oh by the way, Pakistani nuclear scientist Abdel Qadeer Khan admitted to helping North Korea set up a program to make enriched uranium used as fissile materials in atomic bombs. Nevertheless, I still think that American troops should withdraw from South Korea.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0310/p01s04-woap.html
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Do you ever think about the 'freedom' you said is built on the humiliating invasion.Do you want get the freedom like this?In my opinion,Iraqi people want to get the freedom by their uprising,not by foreigner's invasion.Exactly,the invasion caused the fight till now.
In your position,once Americans lose their free,they other countries can invade the US and free the them without any permission,and then Americans will have free elections so they can elect a leader on their own, live better lives, and value freedom .Is that your point? |
The only ones I see in the UPRISING are those FEW who support Saddam, Al-Queda, and the foreign fighters from other countries.
Humiliating invasion? I guess you didn't see the Iraqis celebrating when the US captured Saddam and killed his two sons. The only ones who were sad were the Saddam supporters and Al-Queda.
Other countries invade the US? Somuch, if you study your history, you will see that whenever a war occurs, it's usually a DICTATOR COUNTRY that invades a DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY, and when a DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY invades another country, that other country is ALWAYS A DICTATOR COUNTRY because the DICTATOR COUNTRY is always the one to be found at FAULT. In this case, the US took out Saddam because for 12 years Saddam has violated UN resolutions so many times. If Saddam has just followed UN resolutions and not interfere with UN inspection, he would still be ruler of Iraq.
The world is a better place without Saddam the dictator, so why are you crying over him? The LESS dictators in this world, the BETTER this world would be! Right now, the only ones who wants to take away the freedom of the Americans is Al-Queda and Osama Bin Laden. And these are the people whom the Americans are fighting against. Yes, the terrorists! The same terrorists whom you criticize America for fighting against in Afghanistan and who continues their search for Bin Laden. |
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