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[lovingworld626]

To: "So Much"

You've proved yourself so sucessful of being an illiterate communist. Stop being rude and learn how to respect other people's opinions.

[so much]

I've proved? What does it depend on?Just because the truth I said ?

As the saying of agent Diana,I have my right to express my opinions.IMO,it's a bit logic error of your context.

[glenda]

Chinese people are different. Taiwanesse people are not the same ,too.
In my opinion, the war between them is ridiculars.
If the mainland want to attack Taiwan, not only Taiwan will not be in safety.
Most Chinese young people are so care about money and normal life ,they don't want to break their own situation.China is a country which suffered from so many wars. Nowadays,common people dislike wars very much,including me.
Chinese young people are cherish to live longer, not to die soon.Because we only have 50years peace time.
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[coffeedecafe]

palestine has never been a part of taiwan, so is not neccessary to discuss taiwan and china.
china claims to have made great changes, and is much more financially productive and powerful than ever before.
question: if the average citizen of mainland china ever becomes richer then the average citizen of taiwan, will taiwan request to become part of mainland china, or does it truly value its greater freedom? does anyone dispute people in taiwan have more freedom than people on the mainland? what could china learn from taiwan, as well as taiwan learning from china? if taiwan was just a poor island would china desire her back? or tell her,"you are not part of us, we do not wish to pay your bills. you are on your own"?
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[meng621]

In 1894-1895 China fought with Japan, and lost the war.

Then there was a treaty of "ma-guan" in which china betrayed to Taiwan, like a father lost a gamble and sold his daughter to a rascal or a creditor, Janpn. And for China's A-Q spirit, saying ruthless words to humiliate Taiwan."Taiwan is an brutal place, men have no justice and women heartless; birds don't sing and flowers don't blossom. "

Thousands and ten thousands taiwanses died for defening their country fighting with Janpan Emperor's Army. And chinese say they deserved it.

We Taiwanes are not belong to china for One Hundred and TEN Years. This is A REAL HISTORY.

TAiwan's Future must and only can be decidecd by Taiwaness(formal name ROC) by Referendum.
chinese may feel free, that decision no matter when or what, will never be minority of Taiwanese independent people. It's democracy and human right that guaranteed.

[coffeedecafe]

[element105]

It doesn't matter with the geographical situation of Taiwan.Thousands miles distance can't part Hawaii from the US,so China can't be separate by a little channel all the more.
As for you meddlesome Americans,pay more attentions on your interior affairs,your racialism,your abuse scandal.World has its rule,it doesn't need you getting into.

[meng621]

[element105]

[coffeedecafe]

you have a point on hawaii, and it is true that the usa has its own problems. also, big china has already learned a little bit from little china. this is why the mainland is starting to get wealth. but i hate to see any country make mistakes that could keep them from prospering. and my opinion[as a citizen who doesn't own a whole country] is that a free and friendly diplomacy btween countries would be far better than shooting off missiles to make impressions.
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[element105]

What's the meaning of big China or little China? There is only one China in the world that includes both the mainland and Taiwan,it's the People's Republic of China.I'm appreciation of your point of friendly diplomacy.But looking around the globe,whose missiles were continual shooting off,it's the USA,but not the countries your government blamed on.Your government says supporting the unification of China but supplies weapons to Taiwan,in especial trying to make it legal in the UN.Is that your friendly diplomacy? I think you should learn to respect different cultures and world-points.Certainly,your country is the strongest one nowadays,your culture and world-point are popular,but it's not necessary to force others accepting yours,changing their countries as your will.We have our way to be palmy.We get experiences from our long history.By the way,if you are interested in our history and lower your enmity,I'm glad to show you the ancient China,you will get more understanding of our conducts after know more about our history.I promise.

[coffeedecafe]

enmity?what enmity? yes the usa has been involved in war, and i am looking forward to a day when all swords will be melted back into plows and the nations will learn war no more. as for visiting your beautiful country someday maybe i will have that chance. after all,though i have no chinese ancestors, as a man named brother andrew would say, i have many brothers and sisters there. by big china, and little china, i mean that chairman mao got the most land and chiang kaishek got the little island in a war long ago. i am sure that many people have relatives they have not seen for a long time in the other area. peaceful travel would be a good thing. not all the bravery was on the side of the winners. i have read a little about a very good general feng who was good both in the battle and negotiation. yet there is much more of your history i do not know.
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[element105]

I repeat that Taiwan is a part of China,so there is only one china,ok?
If you know a little of our history,you should know in the past fifty centuries,China has nearly never invaded other countries;even if in Han Dynasty,which was as powerful as Roman Empire.During Han Dynasty,all military actions were all against the Huns,the barbarians who invaded our land and killed our people.The war took a hundred years,finally our ancestors defeated the Huns,killed their Khan,chucked them to the middle asia,and then they went to europe and I think you know what happened afterward.Over the war,the emperor paid the attention inside the country,but not other countries.We have no crusade,no jehad.it's not because we had no powerful army but beacuse we have our own world-view,our own philosophy of governing the country.We had the power to conquer the world but we didn't,why?Before you judge,thinking the words above earnestly.