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flying_pig319
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 Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:47 am Post subject: Re: truth, etc |
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| ieltsinsider wrote: |
I agree with A.C. on expanding or use of alternative sources of energy. As she said "Leaders should display managerial skills and inteligence and not just might." The less we rely on the Middle East, the better. If our leaders started thinking in more creative ways, things would improve. |
Oh- I definitely agree also. It should be clear to the world's leaders by now that oil IS a limited resource, and it WILL runout someday (probably soon).
We need to be focusing on finding something new, not on finding the last few drops of oil, because we need to have a totally new energy source ready to go when the oil runs out. There cannot be any period of time in which we are oil-less, and we don't yet have a new energy source yet, because how will we make up an energy source without oil to help us do the job??
We really need this last bit of oil to help us find it's replacement.
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Manuel
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree. There�s such a vast world of new energies that could be developed... |
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k.m.m
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Location: Riyadh
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:38 am Post subject: |
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| Anuradha Chepur wrote: |
| There is a lot of debate about Bush going to Iraq for oil. Even if he went for oil, my hunch is it is not greed for oil.. |
Bush definitely went to Iraq to make himself seem tough. That's all there is to it. |
may be....
pl.see this
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2038.htm
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k.m.m
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| Anuradha Chepur wrote: |
There is a lot of debate about Bush going to Iraq for oil. Even if he went for oil, my hunch is it is not greed for oil. The point is terrorists get their strength from oil. So one way to make them weak is to get control on their oil  . |
AC ...who will control on their oil!? Do you mean the terrorists shall control it ? Do they" terrorists" have oil ? wher??I don't think so ,,,
Remember they try but they fail ...
On 24 February 2006, just 6 months ago terrorists "alqaedah" with a help of unknown forces !! Attacked our biggest facility in the eastern town of Abqaiq
Saudi Security forces foiled an attempted suicide attack at the Abqaiq refinery using at least two cars:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4747488.stm
http://www.saudi-us-relations.org/articles/2006/special-reports/060224-abqaiq-attack1.html
Agree, alternative source is good also for our mother nature ....but I don't think in near future.
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BourneNOIR
Joined: 12 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| k.m.m wrote: |
| Anuradha Chepur wrote: |
| There is a lot of debate about Bush going to Iraq for oil. Even if he went for oil, my hunch is it is not greed for oil. The point is terrorists get their strength from oil. So one way to make them weak is to get control on their oil . |
AC ...who will control on their oil!? Do you mean the terrorists shall control it ? Do they" terrorists" have oil ? wher??I don't think so ,,,
Remember they try but they fail ...
On 24 February 2006, just 6 months ago terrorists "alqaedah" with a help of unknown forces !! Attacked our biggest facility in the eastern town of Abqaiq
Saudi Security forces foiled an attempted suicide attack at the Abqaiq refinery using at least two cars:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4747488.stm
http://www.saudi-us-relations.org/articles/2006/special-reports/060224-abqaiq-attack1.html
Agree, alternative source is good also for our mother nature ....but I don't think in near future.
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I think it's a strategic move like AC said. Saddam Hussein's Iraq is not very fond of the US and neither are the terrorists. Iraq under Saddam is definitely much less friendly to the US than Saudi Arabia. It's possible that the oil in Iraq is giving Saddam the power to be defiant of the UN and provide assistance to the terrorists. As AC pointed out, oil under the control of Saddam or Al Qaeda threatens the security of the world. The terrorist may not have oil, but they may benefit from oil under the control of someone who is defiant of the US/UN.
Thank goodness your security forces in Saudi Arabia foiled an attack, otherwise everyone in the world would feel even higher petrol prices than now... ouch.
Yeah, alternative fuel is definitely a good idea, but it's going to take a while. Maybe we should also consider conserving our consumption... but I think that's even more difficult...  |
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ieltsinsider
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:08 pm Post subject: oil prices |
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Regarding oil prices, one of the good things to come from the Iraq war is that oil prices are rising. It's good because now people are thinking more seriously about alternative fuel sources. The main reason that we do not currently use alternative fuel sources is that they are (at least initially) expensive to develop. High oil prices make them relatively less expensive.
Here's a provocative question few dare to ask: Will GWB be remembered as the guy who forced the world to think more about alternative energy? |
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BourneNOIR
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: oil prices |
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| ieltsinsider wrote: |
| Regarding oil prices, one of the good things to come from the Iraq war is that oil prices are rising. It's good because now people are thinking more seriously about alternative fuel sources. The main reason that we do not currently use alternative fuel sources is that they are (at least initially) expensive to develop. High oil prices make them relatively less expensive. |
Unfortunately, the people here in the US are too much used to the relatively unrestricted consumption of fuel that alternative fuel, given its expensive R&D investment, does not seem attractive at all. This also has to deal with the way American society is developed. Ieltsinsider, you're from Europe, right? Are there a lot of people using mass transit system there? Here in the US zoning law creates a problem because residential areas and businesses are far apart so you practically have to drive to do anything, from taking kids to school, to shopping, to bank, etc. My commute to work is around 30 minutes for 25 miles, and I'm going against the traffic. My friends commute the other way and are stuck in traffic for 45 � 60 min for the same distance. I definitely consider myself very lucky. Back in Taiwan, one can almost perform one's daily errands just by walking. Supermarkets are usually within 5 blocks from where one lives. There are many mom & pop restaurants scattered around the area, and most people commute around the city in scooters. Zoning is almost non-existent, which kind of make things a mess, but that also allows practically a convenience store like 7-11 nearly every few blocks. Then again, the US is huge and it has to set aside land for huge single-family residential areas that many people take for granted. Simply, people are being spoiled here...
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| Here's a provocative question few dare to ask: Will GWB be remembered as the guy who forced the world to think more about alternative energy? |
Nah, I don't really think so. The price increase was also attributed to Hurricane Katrina here in the US as well as other factors. People also tend to think about the negative aspect of a president unless it's something really positive like, Cuban missile crisis, ending the Cold War, etc. |
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Anuradha Chepur
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| AC ...who will control on their oil!? Do you mean the terrorists shall control it ? Do they" terrorists" have oil ? wher??I don't think so ,,, |
Whether for a noble cause, like the Aga Khan foundation, or for an evil cause like terrorism, the funds have to come from somewhere. Correct me if I�m wrong, but the general understanding is that OBL is himself oil wealthy and manages to mobilize funds from oil rich leaders like Saddam. The sponsors are politically motivated/sentimentalized/extorted and wealth from oil is translating into weapons for terrorism.
As for alternate sources of energy, remember k.m.m, that due to weather conditions in the Middle East, the people there need more energy to survive than people in other places. So finding alternates is in the interest of everyone in the world. But as you said it will take time if leaders don�t pull up their socks. |
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ieltsinsider
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:28 pm Post subject: US mentality |
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| BourneNOIR - You're right about the US being quite different from other countries re zoning, car use, etc. (Yes, I am from Europe, here we generally have decent public transport.) Americans do seem to be 'addicted' to oil. It's the whole American love affair with the car and industry. I guess it will take more than high oil prices to change that. The downside for Americans is that if they don't get in the technology, they might fall behind. Then again, maybe not - technology can always be bought! |
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BourneNOIR
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:18 am Post subject: Re: US mentality |
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| ieltsinsider wrote: |
| BourneNOIR - You're right about the US being quite different from other countries re zoning, car use, etc. (Yes, I am from Europe, here we generally have decent public transport.) Americans do seem to be 'addicted' to oil. It's the whole American love affair with the car and industry. I guess it will take more than high oil prices to change that. The downside for Americans is that if they don't get in the technology, they might fall behind. Then again, maybe not - technology can always be bought! |
Yep, I agree. I attribute that to the effects caused by the WWII victory... Americans got carried away. US mentality changed completely after WWII; the term "baby boomers" is an example. People also got addicted to bigger gas-guzzling muscle cars, and then came the energy crisis in the 70's. Guess that was a lesson too short to remember, haha. But yeah, the Japanese have developed decent hybrid cars and the American consumers have the enormous purchasing power to buy and integrate them into the society. |
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ieltsinsider
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:46 pm Post subject: none |
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| Yeah, here's hope yet. |
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