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RedRose
Joined: 21 May 2004
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Location: GuangZhou, China
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| beancurdturtle wrote: |
Energetic Miss 红玫瑰,
Your style of writing is refreshing. I always laugh when I read your writing.
Your style is also direct, which may put some people off. But I'm not easily offended.
Peace, |
可爱的大头先生， sorry, although your head isn't as big as mine, I think.
first of all, thank you for the compliment.
you said that my writingstyle can put some people off...Dose that mean some people can get laid by my writingstyle? or by me? . sorry for my bad english. |
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beancurdturtle
Joined: 23 Aug 2006
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Location: Southern California
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| Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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Funny, to explain what "put off" means is more difficult that I would assume. Lets try this:
put off
1. To delay; postpone: put off paying the bills. To persuade to delay further action: managed to put off the creditors for another week.
2. To take off; discard: put off a sweater.
3. To repel or repulse, as from bad manners: His indifferent attitude has put us off.
4. To pass (money) or sell (merchandise) fraudulently.
In this case I was using "put off" in the sense of the third definition above. Understand, I personally like your honest speaking - but some people may be too sensitive and feel rejected or offended by it.
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RedRose
Joined: 21 May 2004
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Location: GuangZhou, China
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:17 am Post subject: |
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Thank you, Mr 可爱大头， now I got it.
Actually, I didn't mean to hurt anyone, I am a nice woman who always tries to help people(that's what my friends said). however, sometimes things go in an opposite direction, I mean, some people feel hurt about my friendly words, in that case, I always feel sorry.
I am glad that you ain't that offended. in this respect, you are strong enough to discuss anything without hurting your health, that is supposed to a postulate for a poster. |
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Bob S.
Joined: 29 Apr 2004
Posts: 1767
Location: So. Cal
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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| beancurdturtle wrote: |
I beg you, please tell me where I have offended.  |
If I might be so bold, it may have been your comment:
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| It seems to me that the source of all your clumsy and unfocused writing comes from the fact... |
That's insulting, particularly on an ESL board where there are many posters struggling to convey their point as best they can in a language they are not fully fluent in. Need to cut him some slack. |
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beancurdturtle
Joined: 23 Aug 2006
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Location: Southern California
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Bob S. wrote: |
| beancurdturtle wrote: |
| I beg you, please tell me where I have offended. |
If I might be so bold, it may have been your comment:
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| It seems to me that the source of all your clumsy and unfocused writing comes from the fact... |
That's insulting, particularly on an ESL board where there are many posters struggling to convey their point as best they can in a language they are not fully fluent in. Need to cut him some slack. |
You're not being bold in my opinion. Your observation is fair enough. But my comment regarding "clumsy and unfocused" writing came quite a few posts past ltp-008's initial (what I thought was unprovoked) volley of insults towards me.
I actually didn't mean "clumsy and unfocused" in reference to ltp-008's structure and vocabulary. I've seen ltp-008's other posts, and the writing is pretty darn good considering English is the second language. In addition, the point of ltp-008's posts is usually clear.
When I said "clumsy and unfocused" I meant it in reference to ltp-008's posts directed to me. They lack organization. In direct responses to me, ltp-008 seemed to have been leaping from one incomplete subtly crafted insult to another, without coming to the point. When ltp-008 finally said that they felt I was rude in another post, they revealed what is possibly the source of the motivation for their vaguely disguised insults. As I said, "If I miscommunicated, I will apologize and clarify my opinion. If I was impolite, I will apologize and confess the wrong done."
In this case it seems that calling ltp-008's writing "clumsy and unfocused" is too easily misunderstood. I apologize for any misconception which I created, and any insult I have caused.
Nobody - including myself - should be cut any slack for being insulting. Insults deserve apology whether intentional or unintentional. Don't you think so? Do you think ltp-008 would agree?
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�Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.�
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ltp-008
Joined: 09 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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If you think yourself a perfect writer ,you are very ridiculous.
When you do some impolite and offensive things ,you don't realize them,you need get helps from your parents or somebody like that,not from me. |
1. I do not think myself a perfect writer, does that mean I am not ridiculous? 
2. My father is dead, and my mother does not read this forum. So I have to rely on the graciousness of people such as yourself to let me know when I have overstepped the bounds of civility. I beg you, please tell me where I have offended. |
I am sorry that your father was dead and your mother doesn't read this forum,but you have to find someones who are smarter and more intelligent than you to help you if you really want to look like a smart guy.lol |
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RedRose
Joined: 21 May 2004
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Location: GuangZhou, China
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I am sorry that your father was dead and your mother doesn't read this forum,but you have to find someones who are smarter and more intelligent than you to help you if you really want to look like a smart guy.lol |
How about yourself? you were the one who told that he had offended, why not be kind to tell us? ain't ya smart and intelligent? 
Maybe you are playing hidden and caught game with us? if so, you won. congratulations! we can't find you, anyway. |
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beancurdturtle
Joined: 23 Aug 2006
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Location: Southern California
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| Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| but you have to find someones who are smarter and more intelligent than you to help you if you really want to look like a smart guy.lol |
You are assuming I am worried about looking like a smart guy.
I'm not.
老子:「道德经」:第四十五章
大成若缺，其用不弊。
大盈若冲，其用不穷。
大直若屈，大巧若拙，大辩若讷。
静胜躁，寒胜热。清静为天下正。
Laozi "Dao de Jing" Verse 45 - Quiet
Great perfection seems incomplete,
But does not decay;
Great abundance seems empty,
But does not fail.
Great truth seems contradictory;
Great cleverness seems stupid;
Great eloquence seems awkward.
As spring overcomes the cold,
And autumn overcomes the heat,
So calm and quiet overcome the world.
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�Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.�
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RedRose
Joined: 21 May 2004
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Location: GuangZhou, China
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:30 am Post subject: |
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funny, beancurdturtle, I once told you that I could help you undertstand Chinese characters of chinese movies. really funny! your Chinese is better than mine!
Actually, I couldn't understand DaoDeJin until you translated it here. I bet you majored in Chinese literature. don't tell me you didn't. |
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asterix
Joined: 26 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:59 am Post subject: |
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| The Dao that can be written is not the true Dao. |
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beancurdturtle
Joined: 23 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| The Dao that can be written is not the true Dao. |
From Verse 1, but not my favorite translation.
Actually anything written, spoken, conceptualized, argued and etc. is not the true thing. We always abstract things from themselves into symbols to deal with them in our tiny brains - that's the magic of language.
So considering "The Dao that can be written is not the true Dao." - how do we deal with that? Reading Zhuanzi helps. In any case, that phrase is offered to illustrate a larger truth:
http://beancurdturtle.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!7F4DDF0128A6C7C0!2031.entry
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�Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.�
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beancurdturtle
Joined: 23 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| Actually, I couldn't understand DaoDeJin until you translated it here. I bet you majored in Chinese literature. don't tell me you didn't. |
First, I didn't do the translation. This is quoted from Peter Merel's interpolation. I've read many different translations - and Peter Merels seems to be very neutral and accessible to Westerners. It's my favorite.
Second, I studied basically fine art and business. 
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�Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.�
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RedRose
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:45 am Post subject: |
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you know so much about Chinese ancient proses, and you seem very interested in Chinese literature. I am confused again.
Even a Chinese such like me, sometime has a hard time to learn Chinese ancient prose, because it's too boring and unfathomable. but as a foreigner, you know it so well. I am confused again. |
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Bob S.
Joined: 29 Apr 2004
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Location: So. Cal
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| ..,but you have to find someones who are smarter and more intelligent than you to help you if you really want to look like a smart guy.lol |
Now now. No flame fights. If someone offers you an olive branch, don't hit them in the face with it. I wouldn't assume Daniel's diplomatic overtures to be disingenous (unless he were French  ). |
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ltp-008
Joined: 09 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| beancurdturtle wrote: |
| ltp-008 wrote: |
| but you have to find someones who are smarter and more intelligent than you to help you if you really want to look like a smart guy.lol |
You are assuming I am worried about looking like a smart guy.
I'm not.
老子:「道德经」:第四十五章
大成若缺，其用不弊。
大盈若冲，其用不穷。
大直若屈，大巧若拙，大辩若讷。
静胜躁，寒胜热。清静为天下正。
Laozi "Dao de Jing" Verse 45 - Quiet
Great perfection seems incomplete,
But does not decay;
Great abundance seems empty,
But does not fail.
Great truth seems contradictory;
Great cleverness seems stupid;
Great eloquence seems awkward.
As spring overcomes the cold,
And autumn overcomes the heat,
So calm and quiet overcome the world.
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You are assuming I am worried about looking like a smart guy.
I'm not. |
That 's good,you are a strong man.
If I have offended you in one way or another during these couples of days,I am sorry,give me some slack.
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老子:「道德经」:第四十五章
大成若缺，其用不弊。
大盈若冲，其用不穷。
大直若屈，大巧若拙，大辩若讷。
静胜躁，寒胜热。清静为天下正。
Laozi "Dao de Jing" Verse 45 - Quiet
Great perfection seems incomplete,
But does not decay;
Great abundance seems empty,
But does not fail.
Great truth seems contradictory;
Great cleverness seems stupid;
Great eloquence seems awkward.
As spring overcomes the cold,
And autumn overcomes the heat,
So calm and quiet overcome the world. |
Good prose,I benefit from this prose,thank you.
To redrose:
Honestly,no offensive,most time you really made me laugh or cheered me up or entertained me a lot when I read some of your posts,so thank you very much. |
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