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[blackbulls]

i hope americans dotn make the silly mistake of choosing bush as tghere new president . he is the killer of innocent people for just 3000 people who died in 9 11 how can he kill thousand of women and children in iraq and afghanistan ..and amercans are too responsible for this ..
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[Diana]

[ilya]

[quote="Diana"][quote="ilya"]I`m tied of lessoning that Bush has gotten Iraq free. From what free? From Saddam? Ok. but what about free from terrorism and Al-Qaeda, from americans troops and violence?
Bush went in Iraq with his own ineterests which included only one problem - Saddam. The son finished the father`s affair with Saddam!!
And all that stuff about poor iraqi people and their miserable life under Saddam meant nothing for him. He lied to all the world about WMD at the face. And, for me, any person, who supports Bush, talks for The biggest lier.[/quote]

Then try listening to the Iraqis for a change. Just go to their blogsites.

As for terrorism and Al-Queda, both the Americans AND the Iraqi people are ONE in fighting against them. Saudi Arabia is now together with the Americans in fighting against Al-Queda.

As for Russia, you can go ahead and surrender to the Chechens if you want.[/quote]

Hey, girl, if you compare Chechnya and Iraq you know nothing. Chechnya has his own constitution and his own President. That`s the first moment. The second is we went into Chechya because Chechen bandits had atacked our territory (Dagestan), they killed innocent people. These people were the same who took hostages in 1995 in Budenovsk and Pervomaskoe and killed a lot of people in a hospitale. It was the same leader (Basaev) who arranged terract in the Moscow theather in 2002. Chechnya was the same as Iraq now (in the chaos (and it`s only beginning in Iraq), and the sitution in Chechnya was the biggest danger for Russia) before Russian army went there. We go there to fight with terrorists, because our russian people (it must be news for you that about 30% of living people in Chechnya are russians, Chechnya is the part of Russia like the state of Uta or New-York is the part of USA). Chechnya without us was in the chaos under the full control of terrorists and bandits. They do whatever they wanted: they purloined and tortured people (like in Iraq now).
We went there to make them free. It was very difficult because our army was not very good like american, our soldiers served in poor conditions, they were given little food so they went into villages and houses for foods. But Russians were as the same blood as Chechens because Chechens are citizens of Russia.
What are you talking about? You are in the real *beep* in Iraq. I told you one year ago you would have the hell there (you remember). Are you still blind and ignorant not to realize what has happent?
I told you terrorism would burst in this region. You really don`t see what happent? Small boys and girls, seing how they fathers and mothers die, go to Al-Qaeda. All terrorists went to Iraq (from Chechnya too) because they understood it`s the chance for them.
You supported the Biggest lier. He lied his own country, to his own people. Terrorism expanded around the world after that. And clever people said that it would be but Bush .... softly talking was not clever to understand that.
When people from his team wrote books about his ignorant and a feeling of revenge to Saddam for father.
Only you fight agaisnt Al-Qaeda? You are in the net of propaganda, my lady. Al-Qaeda is around the world. Remeber about terracts in Turkey, Spain, Indonesia. I`m silent about Russia. You only gave them speed in Iraq. And no one know what to do in Iraq now. If you get away from there it would the impressive chaos in this region. If you stayed it would be the same with one perception, innocent iraqis would be died for and with americans.

[Diana]

Oh brother! Ilya, if you had read my post very carefully, you would have known that I condemned the Chechens for killing innocent people! It doesn't matter to me whether the Chechens are citizens of Russia or not! I still condemned them for killing innocent people!

[asterix]

The Americans are doing OK in Iraq. They have deposed the tyrant Saddam and have conquered a country of 20 odd million with the loss of 1000 or so lives. This is an impressive military feat if you set it against Russian casualties in Chechnya. Don't believe all the garbage you read in the left wing press.
Now the Iraqis have been given a chance to have a democratic government where women will have the vote instead of being valued somewhat less than horses, but a bit more than dogs.
If they then elect a government which turns out to be as bad as Saddam, they have nobody to blame but themselves.
The real threat to Europe and the world in general, is that it is the stated goal of Islam to convert the world to that religion BY FORCE IF NECESSARY. Do not think it is a benign religion. Russia is being targeted by the muslims who were included in the former Soviet Union because they see a chance to seize power for Islam, and themselves (and not necessarily in that order.). They do not care who or how many they have to kill to achieve their goal.
As for Bush lying...it is easy to try to discredit a leader when he is later thought to be wrong. However, intelligence is not an exact science, it is pieced together from many small sources. An overall picture is put together, rather like a jigsaw puzzle, and a conclusion is then arrived at. In the case of Iraq, it is believed that wrong information was used. But how do we know for sure? It is quite likely that any weapons that Saddam did not want to be found were moved to Syria or Iran and will not be found until there is a reason to investigate Syria or Iran.
At least President Bush had the courage to do something, just as President Putin did. Contrast this to the pathetic UN which cannot get off its backside to stop even egregious acts of genocide that are taking place right under its nose today in Dafur and other places.

[ilya]

[quote="Diana"]Oh brother! Ilya, if you had read my post very carefully, you would have known that I condemned the Chechens for killing innocent people! It doesn't matter to me whether the Chechens are citizens of Russia or not! I still condemned them for killing innocent people! [/quote]

you condemn Chechens? May be you condemn iraqi people as well?
Chechens are so victims as iraqis now. Chechnya is full of terrorists and bandits. I`m talking not about Chechnya and Chechens but about terrorists and bandits in this country, and we should condemn Terrorists but not whole chechens. Terrorists in chechnya are from all terroristic countries of the world. And they fight for money.

And in that post there was no word about condemning chechens.

Go there. Go there. Read this post. Read that post. What a *beep*. All the world tells Bush "Morron, go *beep*". And That`s a biggest post. When i hear everyday "One hundred people has died in Iraq" i thought if Bush was looking Tv set in that moment and what he was thinking.
I think he`s so stupid that he needs an assistent to turn TV set on or off.

[ilya]

[quote="asterix"]The Americans are doing OK in Iraq. They have deposed the tyrant Saddam and have conquered a country of 20 odd million with the loss of 1000 or so lives. This is an impressive military feat if you set it against Russian casualties in Chechnya. Don't believe all the garbage you read in the left wing press.
Now the Iraqis have been given a chance to have a democratic government where women will have the vote instead of being valued somewhat less than horses, but a bit more than dogs.
If they then elect a government which turns out to be as bad as Saddam, they have nobody to blame but themselves.
The real threat to Europe and the world in general, is that it is the stated goal of Islam to convert the world to that religion BY FORCE IF NECESSARY. Do not think it is a benign religion. Russia is being targeted by the muslims who were included in the former Soviet Union because they see a chance to seize power for Islam, and themselves (and not necessarily in that order.). They do not care who or how many they have to kill to achieve their goal.
As for Bush lying...it is easy to try to discredit a leader when he is later thought to be wrong. However, intelligence is not an exact science, it is pieced together from many small sources. An overall picture is put together, rather like a jigsaw puzzle, and a conclusion is then arrived at. In the case of Iraq, it is believed that wrong information was used. But how do we know for sure? It is quite likely that any weapons that Saddam did not want to be found were moved to Syria or Iran and will not be found until there is a reason to investigate Syria or Iran.
At least President Bush had the courage to do something, just as President Putin did. Contrast this to the pathetic UN which cannot get off its backside to stop even egregious acts of genocide that are taking place right under its nose today in Dafur and other places.[/quote]

I suppose Adolf Hitler would say: "Oh, i was a leader, so shut up. I am a hero. I do what nobody likes, so I am the tough guy. Let`s *beep* all the Europe, may be we would find WMD somewhere in a small village. But before we find it, people would be died. If we don`t find WMD we would say "Hestapo gave us a wrong information".........

[RebeccaGMW]

Acting on false information given to you (by the CIA, Russian intelligence, and others) is NOT lying. Many sources pointed to the existence of the WMDs. Even back to the Clinton administration, they believed that Saddam had chemical weapons.

Also back to the Clinton administration they believed that Al Qa'ida had ties to Iraq.

Blame Bush if you want, but I think you need to go farther back than the current administration.
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[ilya]

What information???? UN didn`t accept the resolution about Iraq because there was no proof of precense of WMD in Iraq. Bush said that there was and they would find it and show us. He said that UN was the weak organization.
Now we see Mr.Bush is the weak "leader", he ran to UN ("weak organization") after problems in Iraq. Where are your principles, Mr.Busk?
Given Russian intellegence?!!! If Bush had used this kind of information (and soviet experience in Afganistan) he would have thought hundreds times before enetering troops in Iraq.
I blame not only Mr.Bush but americans too who cried "Let`s go in Iraq". People died in Iraq and americans are responsible for this as the same as Bush.

[Diana]

When I say that I condemned the Chechens who kill innocent people, exactly which Chechens do you think I was referring to???? The Chechens who are victims or the Chechens who kill innocent people??

Let's go over this simple sentence so you could better understand the English language. Here is the sentence below:

I condemned the Chechens who kill innocent people.

Now, say that with me. "I condemned the Chechens who kill innocent people." Very good! One more time! "I condemned the Chechens who kill innocent people." Outstanding job! Now, let me ask you a multiple choice question to see if you understand the sentence.

Question #1: Who are the Chechens that are condemned?
A. Chechens who are innocent.
B. Chechens who kill innocent people.

Before you choose the answer, again look back at the sentence in bold. Yes, the Answer is B.

Question #2: What did the condemned Chechens do?
A. They killed innocent people.
B. They went swimming in the ocean.

Ok. Before you choose the answer, again look back at the sentence in bold. Yes, the answer is A. Excellent job, Ilyia!!!! You get a gold star!

[asterix]

You can maybe equate Stalin with Hitler if you want, Ilya but not Bush.
The US forces have killed a very small number of people to say they have conquered a nation of 20 million or more. Personally, I think such concern for the enemy is military nonsense, just as the reluctance to go into mosques and root out the terrorists hiding there is nonsense.
If you go to war you should go 100% and let the chips fall where they may.

[Koba]

Ilya how can you be so sure that stalin had killed so many people.... or to put it another way... 'otkyda vi znaete?'

And it's not a question of if you go to war let the chips fall their way... but it's more of 'why did Bush go to war in the first place?'

[ilya]

Asterix, what is different between Hitler and Bush? Between Husein and Bush? They all had no right to kill people, to bomb towns. And they are responsible for nothing. Bush can take his army and go away from Iraq and what.... And who will be responsible for all that *beep* and consequences of stupid activities.
Or you think it`s too early to think about Busk like about Hitler, let`s wait one more year and after some thousands deads he will come in that *beep* legion.

Diana, look yourself and your posts carefully. Or better look what funny delirium Mr.Bush talks always. I said in that post. I don`t read your all posts, may be you write somewhere, it doesn`t matter, you`re ignorant about Chechnya. And you showed me this many times. Read your american magazines. You are nor not even able to write my name. THE COPY OF Mr.Bush who can`t spell countries` names, economical terms and so on.

[ilya]

Koba, i hope you took this nick not because it was the nickname of Stalin.
Привет Украине!!!

[asterix]

Ilya, Bush is not killing his own people. Hitler and Saddam both killed many of their own people. So did Stalin and Mao.
The USA is trying to install a fairer system of government in Iraq.
You might think that the Americans are naive to try to do this in the Arab world, where secular dictators and religious hierarchies, both unelected, are the norm, but at least they are trying to do something. Contrast this with the UN, an expensive joke that is doing nothing while the genocide in Dafur (Sudan) continues.
If the UN were acting as it is supposed to according to its charter, the Americans would not have to do all its dirty work but unfortunately the old cynical political whores in Europe and elsewhere are envious of the USA and never miss a chance to try and embarrass it.