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[pugachevV]

Am I wrong then?
Is there another religion whose members are flying planes into buildings to score political points?
I think not.

[beancurdturtle]

[RedRose]

Turtle, I bet you have a long time not logging into your MSN space.

I just figured out how to add some comments on it.

sorry, this post is really off-topic

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[pugachevV]

No - it is not the same thing at all. FIFA does not say in its handbook it's OK to kill infidels.
If all the apologists for Islam in the US want to hide their heads in the sand, that's OK by me - I don't live there.
No doubt there were people who made excuses for Hitler after he attacked Poland.

[beancurdturtle]

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[pugachevV]

You can call me all the politically correct names you like BCT, but if you are bitten several times by a certain type of dog you would naturally be inclined to regard the breed with suspicion.
It is common sense.
I bet there are areas of some cities in which you would be wary at night. Is it because you are a racist, a capitalist, or is it because you are smart?
At the moment Islamic holy men are snarling at the western democracies, especially America. In response thousands of Muslims have taken to the streets and attacked western embassies, American Military assets have been attacked, The London Tube has been blown up, the Spanish railway has been blown up India has had attacks in Mumbai and so on and so on.
I don't think for a minute that all Muslims want to see the end of western democracies, but the only ones who apparently feel safe enough to say so are living in the western democracies.
I don't suppose every German wanted to go to war last time either, but they gave it a maximum effort just the same.

[beancurdturtle]

I did not call you any names - good, bad, or indifferent.

Once again pugachevV you avoid the direct question. However, I will not do the same. Let me answer your questions.

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[beancurdturtle]

[Anuradha Chepur]

BCT:

[beancurdturtle]

Dr. Chepur,

Hate is taught by many people, and some people soak it up like a sponge. The American "Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag" contains the words "one nation, under God." The pledge was changed by an act of Congress from the original, to include the words "under God".

When I say the pledge, I exclude the words "under God" for two reasons:
1. Because I do not believe there is a God;
2. The first words of the section of the U.S. Constitution commonly called "the Bill of Rights" are, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..."
That's pretty clear in meaning as far as I am concerned.

I have twice been threatened by fellow Americans with violence for excluding the words "under God." One time I was in the grasp of an ignorant American, he was ready to hit me and his friends held his striking hand. I wonder who taught these people to react with such hate and violence. Ignorance, bigotry, hate, and lack of understanding is everywhere. It is very unfortunate.

I was in no way supporting Islamic Militants, or the bigotry of closed minded and ignorant Islamic Fundamentalists. Ignorance and bigotry are perhaps among the most dangerous characteristics a person in power from any country, and any religion, can possess. But ignorance and bigotry do not exclusively belong to any one group of people.

The same would go for respect and understanding. I would be willing to bet that you can find some good people in Muslim countries, under the control of Muslim fundamentalists. But I imagine it would be very difficult for them to shake their mind free of the way their leaders, education, and society has shaped their thinking. It's unfortunate isn't it.

I will not answer all the questions you asked for two reasons:
1. Because I believe your questions were mostly rhetorical questions - asked to make a point, not to get an answer;
2. Because I agree in principle with the majority of points you are making.
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Daniel

�Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.�
--Dr. Seuss

[CP]

[asterix]

I would call anyone who kills a doctor or blows up an abortion clinic for a political or religious reason, a terrorist, because that's exactly what he is.