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naohsi



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:54 am    Post subject: It was he/him who... Reply with quote

Hi teachers

Is it Ok to say
`It was him who won the 1st prize'

in stead of `It was he who..'?

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ebb



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 3:16 pm    Post subject: case Reply with quote

No, "him" sounds barbaric. The nominative case is correct here "by the book", and although in spoken English the objective case is often used by native speakers, even when grammatically incorrect, this is not an apt opportunity. "Who" is in the nominative case (because "to be" is intransitive) so "he" should agree in case.

I would just cut the fat out, however, and say "He won first prize." (Drop the "the"). The correct use of the nominative case, even though grammatically correct, sounds stilted.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Problem solved!

Thank you ebb!

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try finding this one for comparison on the Web, from Shakespeare's Macbeth: "There is none but he/Whose being I do fear; and under him/my genius is rebuked, as it is said, /Marc Antony's was by Caesar." (That may not be completely accurate, just from memory). {Macbeth is tying to psyche himself up to continue his killing spree, that started when he iced good old Duncan in his sleep.}
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow! It sounds difficult, but then interesting!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

do you see why Shakespeare said "but he" ?
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