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Teo
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 Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:17 am Post subject: will in before-clause |
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Transfer students must have completed one full-time semester at Clemson University before they will be considered for University scholarships.
I think 'will be considered' should be changed to 'are considered' in the above sentence.
What do you think?
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Mister Micawber
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Either will work. This is the will of intention, I suppose.
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Mister Micawber
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Lucy does not particularly impress me.
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Mister Micawber
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I'm with CalifJim. What's your point, Teo? I see no advantage in throwing links around.
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lotus
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Hi Teo,
I would choose:
Transfer students must have completed one full-time semester at Clemson University before they are considered for University scholarships.
BTW: It would be respectful if you accepted the answers given here at this forum. We know you can find other answers in other forums. You will also find different answers within this forum. Teachers disagree all the time. If you wish to challenge an answer (which you should as a student), you can address it as part of a discussion (after all, this is a discussion forum). Throwing links around is not a discussion. You may face the possibility of offending those who gave you sincere answers. Even if they were not offended, most respondents have no use for a link. We cannot discuss the question with the other forum. If you genuinely wish to introduce a new perspective to the discussion, then you can state what that new perspective is and most teachers will be happy to respond to that new viewpoint. After all, this is what learning is all about.
With proper decorum, I think you will get even better answers.
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Harmony
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Hello Teo,
I want to state my emphatic affirmation of Lotus' advice and to add some additional suggestions.
Anyone - native speakers included - who wishes to advance in the use of a language should read, write, and speak as much as possible. I hope you have been doing all of these.
The study of the English language is not an exact science and no matter how much we may wish to have absolute answers we must accept that fact that there will be many times when this isn't possible. Browsing English forums to look for inconsistencies in answers serves no useful purpose.
I think you will find some information regarding prescriptive and descriptive grammar and usage very helpful. As most of your examples are drawn from American sources I'll refer you to the The Columbia Guide to Standard American English:
http://www.bartleby.com/68/1/10001.html
http://www.bartleby.com/68/45/4745.html
For a British English point of view:
http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/*beep*/SEhudson.htm
Additional links (some funny, some serious, all interesting):
http://www.pbs.org/speak/speech/correct/prescriptivism/
http://www.stanford.edu/class/linguist1/Docs/prescription.html
http://johnaugust.com/archives/2005/english-is-not-latin
http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/Writing/index.html
Although I recommend reading the entire text from the Columbia Guide by following the first two links above, I'll include a sample here:
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This guide to Standard American usage tries to help you keep up with the new and keep track of the old, so that you can make your language fit all the contexts you encounter whenever you speak or write. It seeks to help you make some of the choices Standard users must make if their usage is to be what they want it to be and what their listeners and readers expect it to be. There are many variables at work, and answers can only infrequently be both simple and accurate. Much more often, the accurate answer to a usage question begins, �It depends.� And what it depends on most often is where you are, who you are, who your listeners or readers are, and what your purpose in speaking or writing is.
Most usage guides address themselves primarily or even exclusively to writers and problems of writing and thus may inadvertently lead us to infer that we should try to speak the language exactly as our best writers write it. But neither our best writers nor most of the rest of us really talk like books; some of our language must of course be suitable for use in books, but usage problems are by no means limited to those we encounter in writing for publication. Most of us do most of our communicating orally�face to face or over the telephone�and much of the rest of it in informally written notes, letters, and memos. Being able to match our spoken levels of usage to these differing contexts is every bit as important as is being able to match our formal written English to the demands of its contexts.
Commentators have long argued the virtues and defects of prescriptive and descriptive methods of treating Standard usage. This guide prescribes whenever real rules make prescription a sensible way of proceeding. But for most grammatical and usage questions description-based generalizations, not rules, provide better answers because they take into account both the changes and the variations that are always in progress in a living language.
Standard American English usage is linguistic good manners, sensitively and accurately matched to context�to listeners or readers, to situation, and to purpose. But because our language is constantly changing, mastering its appropriate usage is not a one-time task like learning the multiplication tables. Instead, we are constantly obliged to adjust, adapt, and revise what we have learned. Our language can always serve us effectively if we use its resources wisely; to keep itself ready to serve us it continually changes and varies to meet our needs. |
I hope the information I've provided will help you to have a broader view of the study of English.
~ ~ ~ Harmony  |
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