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hela



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 8:13 am    Post subject: by the time Reply with quote

Dear teachers,

I know that after "by the time" we have to use the future perfect but are these constructions possible? If yes, WHY?

1) By the time he arrives, we will have a meeting.
2) By the time he comes we will know the answer.
3) By the time she has been on her diet for two weeks we will see a difference.

I would be grateful if I could have an answer soon.
Hela
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Harmony



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:42 pm    Post subject: Re: by the time Reply with quote

hela wrote:
Dear teachers,

I know that after "by the time" we have to use the future perfect but are these constructions possible? If yes, WHY?

1) By the time he arrives, we will have a meeting.
2) By the time he comes we will know the answer.
3) By the time she has been on her diet for two weeks we will see a difference.

I would be grateful if I could have an answer soon.
Hela

Hi Hela,

All of the sentences are acceptable. I'm confused. Why do you think we have to use future perfect with "by the time"? We don't.

From Purdue University's Online Writing Lab (OWL), http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_tensec.html (scroll down to the lower half of the page):
    Time-orienting words and phrases like before, after, by the time, and others--when used to relate two or more actions in time--can be good indicators of the need for a perfect-tense verb in a sentence.

    By the time the Senator finished (past) his speech, the audience had lost (past perfect) interest.
    By the time the Senator finishes (present: habitual action) his speech, the audience has lost (present perfect) interest.
    By the time the Senator finishes (present: suggesting future time) his speech, the audience will have lost (future perfect) interest.

More examples:
    By the time the salesman turned around the customer had left the store.

    By the time negotiations began, many pessimists had expressed doubt about them.

    By the time we got to Woodstock the plans were in place.

    I hope there is a decision by the time my daughter starts grade school.

    By the time the fog lifts, the morning is half over.

    By the time the troops arrive, the war is in full swing.

    By the time Tom noticed the doorbell, it had already rung three times.

    By the time Tom notices the doorbell, it has already rung three times.

    They will have been talking for over an hour by the time Tony arrives.

    By the time I finish this course, I will have been learning English for twenty years.

    The famous artist will have been painting the mural for over six months by the time it is finished.

I hope this helps! If I missed your point somehow please let me know.

~ ~ ~ Harmony Very Happy
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hela



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Harmony for all these examples but I don't see anyone with the simple future in the main clause. I'd like to know how is this possible and would be the meaning of the sentence in that case.

I understand the idea perfectly when we use the perfect aspect in the main clause but not when the simple is used. So would you please explain to me how the following sentences work? What do they mean?

1) By the time we got to Woodstock the plans were in place.

2) I hope there is a decision by the time my daughter starts grade school.

3) By the time the fog lifts, the morning is half over.

4) By the time the troops arrive, the war is in full swing.

5) By the time he arrives, we will have a meeting.

6) By the time he comes we will know the answer.

7) By the time she has been on her diet for two weeks we will see a difference.

Many thanks Very Happy
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