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[Sharon]

Hi,
I hope anyone interested in this will read this with an open mind, if you or someone you know is a member of this group, please please visit www.freedomofmind.com and www.factnet.org and learn more about how these groups operate.

Cuult's name:

Providence
International Christian Association.
Global Association of Culture And Peace (GAOCAP) (GACP) http://gacpusa.org

Leaders name: Jung, Myoung-seok aka JMS aka Joshua Jung, aka Joshua Lee Jung professes to be the second Messiah.
Age 58. Nationality Korean.
This cult is based in Korea and is seeking to grow internationally. It has members in Korea, Japan, Hong Kong, The Philipines, Singapore, Canada, USA, Germany, Italy, Australia, New Zealand that I know of and


From what I have witnessed myself and after speaking to members and former members I believe this group is a destructive mind controlling cult. The group uses most if not all of the mind control methods of the BITE model. And I also believe the group satisfies all the criteria of the "HOW TO DETERMINE IF A GROUP IS A DESTRUCTIVE CULT" article, see the links below for more information

http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/articles/BITE.htm
http://www.factnet.org/rancho5.htm?FACTNet


This is a Korean website (in English) operated by a group hoping to destroy the cult: http://antijms.or.kr/~justally/frame.htm
According to the above site, the leaer was recently arrested in Hong Kong on Visa violations and the South Korean governnment is attempting to extradite him to face numerous tax and rape offences.


The cult has been in existence in one form or another since about 1980, and has undergone numerous name changed since then. Providence is the lastest name, and before that International Christian Association.

What they claim is new:
An evolution of the relationship between God and man/women.
In the old testiment the relationship between God and man was one of Master / Servent
In the new Testiment the relationship was that of Father / Son.

Providence now reveal that we have reached the next step in the evolution of our relationship with God. The relationship has now become that of equal lovers. The founder claims he is a Virgin.

The 30 lessons. A bible study course is undertaken by new recruits, 30 lessons are covered over a period of several months. Students are not ALLOWED to take the material home with them, nor are they allowed to read ahead. Towards the end of the 30 lessons, the student is asked something like, "So have you worked out who the new Messiah is???" the student then believes that they have come to the conclusion themselves that Jung Myung Seok is the new Messiah.


Cult events are very time consuming, every Sunday sermons conducted by the leader via live internet TV can last anywhere from 3- 7 hours. I have been told that around 50% of this sermon is about urging people not to leave the cult. Usually the members can't see the Messiah talking, but he can see them. When he does appear before his followers he usually wears a brilliant white suit and the members feel blessed that they have been present at his appearance.

Throughout late Spring / early Summer this year, daily morning services were held on weekdays.
Members would arrive around 4am and have a similar video session to Sundays. Followed by group praying. memebers encouraged to talk to themselves as they pray. I witnessed people crying, and uttering complete gibberish as they "prayed"

I attended an all night "festival" Singing and dancing in the evening. 11pm - 1am a sermon by the founders brother. 1:30 - 4:30am Performances by very talented musicians. Lots of dance performances by beautiful women followed.
Group praying was next, people talking out loud, crying speaking gibberish.

Members are not allowed to "date" either inside or outside the group. Once a member has completed the 3 lessons AND brought 3 new people into they group, they are ALLOWED to get married.

For members "allowed" to marry, an event is held where members can ask potential mates a few basic questions. Once they find a suitable partner, they appear before the leader who either grants or refuses their request to marry, based on what God tells him. I know one girl who met her husband on 4 brief occassions before marrying him. A group wedding is held for the lucky couples, no family members welcome.

I know of members who I believe are kept financially dependent on the group. Some hold no jobs, others part time jobs.


Various extracts from the leaeder's sermons: In no particular order.

Lady Di (Princess Diana) was killed by God because she slept with a Muslim.
JFK was killed by God, because he offended God...(I forget the exact reason given)
The Sars virus was released by God to show people to live cleaner lives.
Adolf Hitler was doing Gods will by killing the jews. Revenge for Jesus' death on the cross.

God's idea of a perfect women is a tall women with long hair.

What good is a tall and beautiful women if she doesn't have any money??

Please recruit more handsome men

a 20 minute talk on the evils of eyebrow plucking.

I used to heal people but I don't do it anymore because God told me to stop. (He speaks to God daily)

Sometimes our members stray from the true path. Sometimes I send people to watch them, when I discover that some members hadn't staryed from the True path after all, it pleases me greatly.

Thankyou for reading.
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He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy

[BakaGaijin]

Who let you in here?!
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I'm Kevin Tillman.
Japanese Exchange and Teaching ALT

[Sharon]

I let myself in here, its a serious warning about a very dangerous group.
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He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy

[Sharon]

Ok a little confesion and an apology....

First of all I'm a guy, changed name and sex because the group I talked about above isn't above trying to kill people who criticise them.

Thats the confession, The apology is that yeah this wasn't really the place to post something like that, and in hindsite I went about it all wrong....

Thanks to Bakagaijin for a reality check, your coments really made me think of a better way to try and warn people, I'm grateful for that.

A much better idea was to simply tell what happened to me and my flatmate, add some humour and some cliffhangers and tell the story over a few weeks,

I did that at www.pusanweb.com and lots of people seem to be reading it,

I'd hope anyone here living in Korea will give it a read...
Its really aimed at native speakers, Korean's here will have probably seen this group on the news,

go here:
http://www.pusanweb.com/forums/index.htm

In the Korean related open forum. I'm porridge4breaky and the thread is called "The Ultimate Male Fantasy"

Here's how it starts...

It really should have been the greatest night of my life, a dream come true.
Actually more like a fantasy come true, a "male" fantasy to be more precise. Say no more, nudge nudge wink wink.
A friend invited me hiking and camping, said she was meeting a few friends on a mountain. With no other plans for the weekend, I said yes.

We didn't actually do any hiking at all, which is a little odd. I mean when you are invited hiking, and its a sunny day, you expect a little hiking, right??

Well, "a few friends" turned out to be about 1000, and I could see why they were all her friends, these people would have to have been the friendliest bunch of people I had ever come across.

Ever been to a concert where EVERYBODY smiles at you and wants to be your friend??? Me neither until then.
Now here's where the "male fantasy" bit comes in, About 75% of these "a few friends" were female AND in the 20 -30 age bracket. Without a doubt the best looking women I'd have ever seen in my life, (outside a magazine) I saw that night. Super Models were present, I'm sure of it.

I was quite literally experiencing the ultimate male fantasy. I was in "Foreigner in Korea" heaven!
Oops I almost left out the dancing. Groups of ten or so girls all took turns dancing on the stage in sexy outfits. This went on for hours, 1am - 5am in fact!

Sounds like a great evening doesn't it? How many guys are reading this and saying, "Get me a ticket! I don't care what it costs!!"

So why was I so desperate to leave, and why were they so desperate for me to stay??
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He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy

[Sharon]

Well this is unrelated to the above cult... but well what a bunch of wiedos...

http://www.jeungsando.org/article/article.asp?ID=sjn0001&page=12&menu=1&submenu=0

They just advertised for writers and editors positions here at daveseslcafe
wow working for those guys would be fun, I might apply!!
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He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy