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glottal stop [plosion]" for /dn/ sounds?

 
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fw



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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 3:41 pm    Post subject: glottal stop [plosion]" for /dn/ sounds? Reply with quote

Recently I came across a book in which the author says native speakers of English use �glottal stop [plosion]� for /dn/ sounds in words like �sudden,� �student,� �didn�t,� or �wouldn�t.�

Do you actually use �glottal stop [plosion]� for /dn/ sounds in those words?

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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 8:34 pm    Post subject: Re: glottal stop [plosion]" for /dn/ sounds? Reply with quote

fw wrote:
Recently I came across a book in which the author says native speakers of English use �glottal stop [plosion]� for /dn/ sounds in words like �sudden,� �student,� �didn�t,� or �wouldn�t.�

Do you actually use �glottal stop [plosion]� for /dn/ sounds in those words?

Fw


There are lots of different kinds of English, with different pronunciations. As for me, I use what is sometimes referred to as a "syllabic n" for words like:

button, sudden, mountain, Martin, cotton, Sutton, etc. It's pretty hard to explain the sound, but, for example, in the word "button", I'd first say "but" (an American English "but" where the final "t" is not aspirated, but is stopped with the tongue in place for the "t") and then "n" (As though you were starting to say a word that started with "n" but didn't continue to where the vowel sound would be.)

I don't know if that's understandable, but the short answer is I don't use a glottal stop there. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Lorikeet,

Thanks for your explanation.

You wrote:
I'd first say "but" (an American English "but" where the final "t" is not aspirated, but is stopped with the tongue in place for the "t")and then "n" (As though you were starting to say a word that started with "n" but didn't continue to where the vowel sound would be.)

I hope I understand what you mean, but let me make sure if I get you right.

Up until I read the book I mentioned in the last posting, I had understood that you use �nasal plosion� for /d/ before you go to "syllabic n" in words like �sudden.�

You do not think you are using "glottal stop," in place of �nasal plosion,� for /d/ before you go to "syllabic n," do you?

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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fw wrote:


Up until I read the book I mentioned in the last posting, I had understood that you use �nasal plosion� for /d/ before you go to "syllabic n" in words like �sudden.�

You do not think you are using "glottal stop," in place of �nasal plosion,� for /d/ before you go to "syllabic n," do you?


I'm not sure what a "nasal plosive" is. I know what a "glottal stop" is. I am pretty sure I'm not using a glottal stop before the syllabic "n". To me, if you use a glottal stop, you don't make the articulation of the "t" or "d"--at least not in the same way. Now that everyone here thinks I'm nuts for repeating "sudden" and "button" ten times, I'll wait to see what you have to say next. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 10:26 am    Post subject: Re: glottal stop [plosion]" for /dn/ sounds? Reply with quote

fw wrote:
Recently I came across a book in which the author says native speakers of English use �glottal stop [plosion]� for /dn/ sounds in words like �sudden,� �student,� �didn�t,� or �wouldn�t.�

Do you actually use �glottal stop [plosion]� for /dn/ sounds in those words?

Fw


I often use a glottal stop in place of the /d/ in wouldn't and the second /d/ in didn't, but the glottal stop replaces only the /d/, not /dn/. When speaking carefully or formally, I pronounce the /d/ in both words.

I would not use a glottal stop at all in sudden or student.

That's not to say that speakers of other dialects of English woul'n't. Wink
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