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BourneNOIR



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:41 am    Post subject: Attacking U.S. = Attacking people around the world Reply with quote
What's actually driving some people wanting to destroy the US? The Islamic fascists, namely.

I admit, no country is perfect. The US sucks in some of its domestic and international policies, but is it really necessary to kill its people on purpose by committing acts of terrorism? What are these people trying to achieve? What do these people want?

I'm a citizen of the US, but I'm no "Yank" as many think of an American. As a matter of fact, I'm a Taiwanese American, and just like many of the citizens here we're all immigrants from another country. Do these people realize that there's really no single definition of "American"? Here in the US, there are Muslims, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Pagans, any many other people with different religious beliefs. Living in the US for a majority of my life has taught me to tolerate, respect, and learn about different people of different background. Do these Islamic fascists know that when they kill "Americans" they're also killing Muslims, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Pagans, etc.? What's common for these people are that we're all taking advantage of the enormous amount of democracy and freedom to improve our lives, is that wrong in the eyes of Islamic facists?

Yes, the US is nosy in many respects. It is extremely influential in many of the international policies. But it can't really help it, because it's such a large and complex nation composed of so many people from different backgrounds. Sometimes certain polices will hurt other countries, and I guess that's how the US is making enemies. Then again, many countries have double/multiple standards to protect its self-interest. For example, most Democratic countries in Western Europe are supporting Communist China as opposed to a Democratic Taiwan. It just so happens that the US is the biggest target and scapegoat.

People complain about war in Iraq. Yes, it's bad. But did these same people complain to those who were responsible for the terrorist attack on 9/11? Did these same people complain to Saddam Hussein about the mistreatment of the Iraqi people? Did these same people hold demonstration rallies in Middle East with signs that say "Stop Terrorism Against the US" or "Stop Hiding in the Shadow Like a Coward and Fight in the Open" or "Stop Suicide Boming"?

All countries have flaws, all governments have corruptions. It's the quality of life of the people that counts. I guess if the US feels that the quality of life of its citizens are threatened, it will forcefully "neutralize" the source (both direct and indirect) of the threat by injecting Democracy into the country so it'll be more like the US. That's the one-line explanation of the war in Iraq.

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alks



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:40 am    Post subject: Re: I don't get it... Reply with quote
BourneNOIR wrote:
What's actually driving some people wanting to destroy the US? The Islamic fascists, namely.

I admit, no country is perfect. The US sucks in some of its domestic and international policies, but is it really necessary to kill its people on purpose by committing acts of terrorism? What are these people trying to achieve? What do these people want?

I'm a citizen of the US, but I'm no "Yank" as many think of an American. As a matter of fact, I'm a Taiwanese American, and just like many of the citizens here we're all immigrants from another country. Do these people realize that there's really no single definition of "American"? Here in the US, there are Muslims, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Pagans, any many other people with different religious beliefs. Living in the US for a majority of my life has taught me to tolerate, respect, and learn about different people of different background. Do these Islamic fascists know that when they kill "Americans" they're also killing Muslims, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Pagans, etc.? What's common for these people are that we're all taking advantage of the enormous amount of democracy and freedom to improve our lives, is that wrong in the eyes of Islamic facists?

Yes, the US is nosy in many respects. It is extremely influential in many of the international policies. But it can't really help it, because it's such a large and complex nation composed of so many people from different backgrounds. Sometimes certain polices will hurt other countries, and I guess that's how the US is making enemies. Then again, many countries have double/multiple standards to protect its self-interest. For example, most Democratic countries in Western Europe are supporting Communist China in favor of a Democratic Taiwan. It just so happens that the US is the biggest target and scapegoat.

People complain about war in Iraq. Yes, it's bad. But did these same people complain to those who were responsible for the terrorist attack on 9/11? Did these same people complain to Saddam Hussein about the mistreatment of the Iraqi people? Did these same people hold demonstration rallies in Middle East with signs that say "Stop Terrorism Against the US" or "Stop Hiding in the Shadow Like a Coward and Fight in the Open" or "Stop Suicide Boming"?

All countries have flaws, all governments have corruptions. It's the quality of life of the people that counts. I guess if the US feels that the quality of life of its citizens are threatened, it will forcefully "neutralize" the source (both direct and indirect) of the threat by injecting Democracy into the country so it'll be more like the US. That's the one-line explanation of the war in Iraq.



for years united states as many countries in europe have been devastating and destroying many countries in america, asia and africa, people are traying to defend their country, their families; now we can see that the true reason for iraq's attack was pettrolium and that the judish are so inhuman that no matter bombs are killing children and disarmed people, now i remember why adolph hitler said "germany didn't lost the war, the world do", and why judish are known as the "damn race", and so you could understand what is happening, they control economies through banks, mainly, fmi, worl bank and many transnationals companies who explote natural resources, people, and corrupt goverments, and the onu is just a burocratic organism just to support all of these attrocities
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BourneNOIR



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:45 am    Post subject: Re: I don't get it... Reply with quote
alks wrote:
for years united states as many countries in europe have been devastating and destroying many countries in america, asia and africa, people are traying to defend their country, their families;

Where did you learn that? Devastating and destroying countries? I admit US did participated in international issues that failed miserably with disastrous outcomes. But does that mean it's alright to kill all Americans? Even those who just emigrated there for a better life? Even those who are not Jewish? Your profile says you're from Mexico. Do you know how many illegal immigrants from Mexico flock to the US for a better life? Do you know that by trying to kill all Americans the Islamic fascists will also end up killing your fellow Mexicans?

alks wrote:
now we can see that the true reason for iraq's attack was pettrolium and that the judish are so inhuman that no matter bombs are killing children and disarmed people,

I understand there are poor countries, rich countries, and countries in between. All these countries see things differently. Poor countries will hate rich countries for being rich. If the US is in Iraq only for the petrol, it could have just blasted its way through Baghdad, kill everyone in its path, screw the innocent Iraqis, replace any government in power with its own government, claim Iraq as a territory of the US, start pumping oil to the US, and disregard how the Iraqis feel, especially how the oil crisis is today.

alks wrote:
now i remember why adolph hitler said "germany didn't lost the war, the world do", and why judish are known as the "damn race", and so you could understand what is happening, they control economies through banks, mainly, fmi, worl bank and many transnationals companies who explote natural resources, people, and corrupt goverments, and the onu is just a burocratic organism just to support all of these attrocities

I don't understand your reasoning and I'm not going to talk about race. If you play the race card, I can definitely outplay you. If you believe what Hitler said, you're one sad human being. There are other countries that influence the world economy, are you going to get them too?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:18 pm    Post subject: Re: I don't get it... Reply with quote
I agree with you about 100%, Noir, especially about the racial things.
Looking for a scapegoat will never do any good.
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ieltsinsider



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:46 pm    Post subject: sense! Reply with quote
It seems that we have one more reasonable person on this forum!

BourneNOIR, you raise some excellent points. I particularly like the one about multicultural America. We get so many people saying, "Hey, all the religions and people's of the world should live in peace." Though America isn't a perfect example of that, it is as close as we have in the modern world. So, what happens? Some people want to destroy it and others just seem to want to criticise it!

As I have said so many times here, rememebr that the Islamic Fascists want to kill every single person who does not agree with their particular view of Islam. This means that they even want to kill most Muslims! You cannot even start to compare American foreign policy with these psychos!

On another issue, as a European, I am utterly sickened by Europe's attitude to China. We'll be selling them hi-tech weapons soon and creating instability in East Asia.
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k.m.m



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:41 pm    Post subject: Re: I don't get it... Reply with quote
BourneNOIR wrote:
What's actually driving some people wanting to destroy the US? The Islamic fascists, namely.

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I think Al qaeda is just A BUSH BOOGEMAN ?

http://reopen911.org/Is%20Al%20Qaeda%20Just%20a%20Bush%20Boogeyman.htm

If Osama bin Laden does, in fact, head a vast international terrorist organization with trained operatives in more than 40 countries, as claimed by Bush, why, despite torture of prisoners, has this administration failed to produce hard evidence of it?

� How can it be that in Britain since 9/11, 664 people have been detained on suspicion of terrorism but only 17 have been found guilty, most of them with no connection to Islamist groups and none who were proven members of Al Qaeda?

� Why have we heard so much frightening talk about "dirty bombs" when experts say it is panic rather than radioactivity that would kill people?

� Why did Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld claim on "Meet the Press" in 2001 that Al Qaeda controlled massive high-tech cave complexes in Afghanistan, when British and U.S. military forces later found no such thing?

Los Angeles Times - Los Angeles, Calif.
Author: ROBERT SCHEER
Date: Jan 11, 2005

???????????

9/11: The Fake Opposition
A message by Peter Meyer
sent to a mailing list on 2003-11-27

For every action, there is an opposite and equal reaction. This is true in physics and true in warfare.

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/fake_opposition.htm


????

Osama bin CIA Agent................

http://www.public-action.com/911/ob_cia.html

?????????
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ieltsinsider



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:05 pm    Post subject: tell osama Reply with quote
If Al Qaeda is a myth and Bin Laden is a CIA agent, Bush should definitely be told. But first, tell Bin Laden himself. He seems to have forgotten.

Enough evidence has been found, but some people won't be satisifed until they see a bank transfer order with "This money comes from the Al Qaeda account in ... and is going to ... a member of Al Qaeda" on it.

Trials take time. One of the 'problems' of living in a democracy - you can't just accuse someone and put a bullet in their head without consequences. If a person in Britain commits a crime, they are considered innocent until proven guilty. The person can still be guilty, even though they are being considered (for legal purposes) innocent. A person could still be guilty even after being found innocent, e.g. they could get off on a technicality. A lot of the people arrested in Britain were only arrested because they refused to talk to police voluntarily. Once arrested, they had to account for themselves. Again, blame the legal system, not the police.

Dirty bombs. Could happen, but it's media scaremongering mainly. The media has more to answer for than Bush does.

As for the caves point, the word 'later' is interesting. Actually cave complexes have been found by British and American forces, as well as by Afghan forces and Pakistani forces. The Russians found some too while they were in Afghanistan.
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BourneNOIR



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:07 am    Post subject: Re: I don't get it... Reply with quote
k.m.m wrote:
I think Al qaeda is just A BUSH BOOGEMAN ?

Al-Qaeda did not "just exist" during the Bush administration. It existed long before that, during the end of Cold War in fact, after the invasion of Soviet Union into Afghanistan. They were also responsible for the attacks during the Clinton administration, are they Clinton's "boogeman" too? It's good that you're exercising your freedom to think, but please be mindful of actual historical facts before pulling things out of thin air.

k.m.m wrote:
If Osama bin Laden does, in fact, head a vast international terrorist organization with trained operatives in more than 40 countries, as claimed by Bush, why, despite torture of prisoners, has this administration failed to produce hard evidence of it?

Yeah, I'm sure there are no unsolved/unclosed cases in the history of law enforcement. All criminals can be identified easily and that the terrorist members walk around dressed in Al-Qaeda uniforms with signs saying, "I'm a terrorist". On the contrary, if this is a conspiracy and Bush wants to look good, why doesn't he just force some people to admit that they're Al-Qaeda members and make up numbers showing the success rate of capturing terrorists, rather than showing some of the unsuccessful attempts and make himself look bad? Did you think about that or are you easily swayed by anti-American theories?

k.m.m wrote:
� How can it be that in Britain since 9/11, 664 people have been detained on suspicion of terrorism but only 17 have been found guilty, most of them with no connection to Islamist groups and none who were proven members of Al Qaeda?

Did they check their ID? I'm sure it says "Membership: Al-Qaeda" on them. Or maybe they should call Al-Qaeda's Human Resource Department to see if those people are on the payroll.

I'm not even gonna bother with the rest of the ridiculous "conspiracy theories" since ieltsinsider had already addressed them. This is what sucks about Democracy and the freedom of speech. People are allowed to say whatever they want, even unfounded conspiracy theories that damage a nation's reputation. What's even worse is that there are people who actually believe them.

ieltsinsider wrote:
Trials take time. One of the 'problems' of living in a democracy - you can't just accuse someone and put a bullet in their head without consequences. If a person in Britain commits a crime, they are considered innocent until proven guilty. The person can still be guilty, even though they are being considered (for legal purposes) innocent. A person could still be guilty even after being found innocent, e.g. they could get off on a technicality. A lot of the people arrested in Britain were only arrested be