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Jerry Chen



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 6:00 pm    Post subject: about E-mail Reply with quote

Hello,

Do most native speakers of English view the word "E-mail" as a countable noun or an uncountable one?

Which is correct?

I got many e-mails.

I got much e-mail.

Thanks for your help!!
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damon@English24/7



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

E-mail is a fairly new word so the usage is a little inconsistent. I think it is most commonly used as a non-count noun, but we would use "a lot" rather than "much/many." For example: "I received a lot of e-mail yesterday." Substituting "e-mails" seems totally unnatural. However, I think that some people, or in some cases, e-mail is used as a countable noun like "I have been receiving e-mails all morning" (non-count would be fine in this example, as well).

Additionally, we don`t use spam as a count noun.

Finally, MS-Word has always treated "email" as wrong, but I personally prefer it to "e-mail" or "E-mail." There is no hyphen in the words electronic mail so why should there be in the abbreviation. What are your opinions on how to use email? Can anyone authoritatively respond to this yet?


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As you can imagine, all permutations get plenty of hits on Google. I will not hold my breath for any 'authoritative' statement in my lifetime. I too use email, because it is easy to type-- so maybe we can set the fashion ourselves, Damon.
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CP



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I have seen, I think people refer to e-mail as a countable noun when they are thinking of the individual messages. "Today I received four e-mails trying to sell me real estate." In this way, the term is the equivalent of "letter."

Otherwise, they seem to refer to e-mail as a mass noun. "I get so much e-mail, I can't get any work done." In this way, the term is the same as it has always been when it was just "mail."
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damon@English24/7



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Email it is, then. I`ll start fixing all those mistaken Wikipedia entries.

CP, that is a well though-out answer.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The French are gonna flip! "Email" is "enamel" in French. I don't know if the international community can withstand any sneering by the French in this day and age . . . .
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

damon@English24/7 wrote:
Email it is, then. I`ll start fixing all those mistaken Wikipedia entries.


This will not end well Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

damon@English24/7 wrote:
CP, that is a well though-out answer.

CP is well organized even when joking around. Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CP wrote:
The French are gonna flip! "Email" is "enamel" in French. I don't know if the international community can withstand any sneering by the French in this day and age . . . .


I don't get it. Is it a joke? If not, then I really don't get it. I mean, don't all, or at least many, languages have their own words for this and that and sometimes the same word(s), either spelled or pronounced the same way, can be found in a different language but with a totally different meaning?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forgive me for my lame little joke. I shall explain.

The French are notorious for not wanting their language "violated" by adding foreign words -- just the opposite of English -- although some have crept in, like "le weekend." At the moment, for example, the French refuse to use "computer" for "computer," preferring the very French but clumsy "l'ordinateur."

Now, if the international community should "steal" a perfectly good French word like "email" and thus further violate the language, can't you just imagine the scandal -- le scandale! -- that it would cause? I mean, the French believe that theirs is literally the language of the angels, so we should not be messing with it. N'est-ce pas?
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lotus



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

Though neither definitive nor authoritative, this article (though old) indicates a trend toward e-mail. My personal experience is that email is more common, especially for the reason pointed out by Mr. Micawber.

http://alt-usage-english.org/big_faq.html#fxhowdoy
note the French definition noted by CP

A quick search in Google found:

Results 1 - 10 of about 11,260,000,000 for e-mail
Results 1 - 10 of about 6,640,000,000 for email

I think in most correspondences (not found on the internet), email would be more common.


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andale



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was an entry about this in Garner's Usage Tip of the Day in April this year. Here's what it said:

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e-mail; email; E-mail. The first is still the prevalent form in modern print sources. The unhyphenated and unsightly "email" might prevail in the end, but today "e-mail" is five times as common as "email" in contemporary print sources. The "e" -- not a true prefix but short for "electronic" -- is sometimes capitalized, but the trend is to make it lowercase.
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