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Chan-Seung Lee



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:57 am    Post subject: utterly Reply with quote

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1)John utterly detests Mary.
2)John utterly loves Mary.


According to my grammar book, between the above examples, 1) is correct but 2) is wrong. I wonder why? Can you let me know why?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Interesting. Perhaps love is a non-gradable emotion. Quirk et al mention only that utterly tends to co-occur with negative words.

There may be other opinions.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:39 am    Post subject: when i say that ... Reply with quote

If I say 'I utterly love Mary.', native speakers will think it awkward?
I wonder. Please let me know.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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To me, it just sounds a little unusual. Love makes people say and do strange things, though.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you tell Mary that you utterly love her, she might utterly reject you!

A room can be in utter shambles, but it won't be in utter order. You might be an utter cad, but you can't be an utter gentleman. You can act utterly rudely, but not utterly politely -- it just doesn't sound right. It sounds utterly wrong.

However, if you want to change the world, I recommend starting a rock band called the Utter Gentlemen. Play great music, make international hits, and become known to everyone. People will utterly love you, and that includes Mary.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Chan-Seung Lee,

I could be utterly in love with Mary. Alas, I'm in love with somebody else!

Mostly, you can be utterly in the state of something (whether it be good or bad):

utterly in love
utterly lost
utterly lonely
utterly alone
utterly happy (more commonly: extremely happy, ecstatically happy)
utterly unhappy
utterly disappointed
utterly confused

And, you can utterly feel a certain way about something (usually in a negative way):

utterly hate
utterly abhor
utterly despise

Strange how we don't usually utterly love something. Perhaps the negative connotation has taken over (or a fear of love has insidiously enveloped us.)

Love as a deep emotion is usually expressed as:

unrequited love
unconditional love
total love
deep love
true love

If John were really in love with Mary, we would say:

John is totally in love with Mary!

The opposite statements would then be:

John utterly detests Mary.
John totally loves Mary.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In India, a famous butter company (Amul) has its advertising slogan :

Utterly, butterly, delicious!

Being hopelessly in love is common (usage), though.
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