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Chan-Seung Lee



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:48 am    Post subject: correct Reply with quote

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1.Germany and Japan both spend about 50 percent less per student than the United States does.
2.Germany and Japan both spend about 50 percent more per student than the United States does.


Are the above sentences correct?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:43 am    Post subject: percent more, percent less Reply with quote

Yes, both sentences are correct but they have very different meanings. It is easier to see the difference if I substitute real numbers for the expressions "50 percent more" and "50 percent less".

If Japan and Germany both spend about $50 on their students...

1. about 50 percent less than the US
The US spends about $100.

2. about 50 percent more than the US
The US spends about $25.

You can see, there is a big difference in meaning between the two sentences.

You may have seen the following sentence:

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In Germany and Japan, spending on students is 50 percent, more or less, of US averages.


The meaning above is that the actual figure is somewhere around 50 percent. Or as in my previous example:

Spending in Japan and Germany is $46 - $54, and spending in the US is $97 - $104.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must quibble with your arithmetic, ESL-ish. While $50 is 50% less than $100, it is not 50% more than $25, it is 100% more, or double. If you want $50 to be 50% more of X, then

1.5X = 50
X = 50 / 1.5
X = 33.33

and 1.5X = (1.5 x 33.33) = 50

The U.S. spends $33.33, while Japan and Germany spend $50.

Check: 50% of $33.33 = $16.67
$33.33 + $16.67 = $50
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:15 am    Post subject: arrgh, math Reply with quote

You know, I pondered that for awhile, but I got impatient with trying to figure it out. Confused Don't tell my 12 year old son I messed up; I'm his algebra tutor! lol)

Thanks for clearing that up!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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