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Outofin



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:12 am    Post subject: Wealthy Arabs, Hypocritic Americans Reply with quote

Yesterday watched a ABC news reporting about Dubai. Dubai is definitely a rich country. They're building the tallest tower in the world, 800+m!!!

And the host asked the Dubai spokesman, the workers building the city are living in a condition worse than your prince's horses, how do you feel about it?

The host seemed to be older than 40. He took 40 years to learn poor people's lives are not as good as the rich's pets? I can't believe he doesn't see the same problem in the US and even thinks "we are better than you". And his intellegence is not good enough to link the middle east wealth with his SUV gas tank.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't think the reporter would ask the same question of an American if his horses (or his boss's horses) lived better than his workers? How does the reporter's question prove that Americans are hypocrites?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess Allah has ordained it that way.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waiting for your reply, Outofin. You started this thread. What do you say?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Wealthy Arabs, Hypocritic Americans Reply with quote

Outofin wrote:
Yesterday watched a ABC news reporting about Dubai. Dubai is definitely a rich country...
The host seemed to be older than 40. He took 40 years to learn poor people's lives are not as good as the rich's pets? I can't believe he doesn't see the same problem in the US ...
Well, therein lies the crux of the problem. In most Western industrialized countries, construction is a skilled labor job, and the workers in that field are not poor. They are middle class (lower middle class for basic construction, upper middle class for specialists). Even exploited illegal immigrant workers can still expect at least $(US)10-15 per hour for basic construction work. Why are similar workers in wealthy Dubai only paid $1 per hour? It is as though UAE wants to show a modern face, but it is a mask that hides a cruel primitive truth of worker exploitation.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CP, no, I don't think the reporter will ask the same question to American moguls. I never heard of this moral accusation while interviewing the rich people. Say, I have a hair cut for $10. How much do they pay for their dogs' hair? $50? I don't care. To me, it's not a question. It's a fact that I could accept that poor people live not as good as the rich's pets.

Pretending you believe in morality while you actually don't is hypocrite. That's why I called the reporter hypocrite.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Outofin wrote:
CP, no, I don't think the reporter will ask the same question to American moguls. I never heard of this moral accusation while interviewing the rich people. To me, it's not a question. It's a fact that I could accept that poor people live not as good as the rich's pets.


Well, there's the difference then. I can believe it, but I don't accept it. It's a legitimate question to ask moguls of any background, and it is asked of others as well.

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Pretending you believe in morality while you actually don't is hypocrite. That's why I called the reporter hypocrite.


How do you know the reporter's morality? How can you judge?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, American and British reporters are extremely hard on all kinds of wealthy and powerful people they interview.
The American president, for example,is alway being asked hard questions by reporters.
You should watch the BBC programme, "Hardtalk", sometime.
You can't blame the Americans for being rich and successful.
You should ask yourself why they are rich and successful and you are not.
Why isn't everone in Iran driving a brand new Mercedes, for example, considering the trillions of dollars the country has made from selling oil to the west?
Before you criticise the Americans you should sort out your own corrupt politicians.
They are the ones responsible for your standard of living - not the Americans.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The critical, penetrating questions and investigations by American journalists are what give them the scoops, the information for stories, their very bread and butter. If Donald Trump's workers were living in hovels, earning less than minimum wage, while his horses ate gourmet oats and wore cashmere blankets, you can bet that a real journalist would ask Trump about it and tell the world what he said. Bob S. put his finger squarely on it with his information about the money earned by American construction workers as contrasted with that earned by Dubai workers. The injustice has to exist before the journalist can get the story out.

While some TV interviewers are just softball chat masters who want to give the celebrity or politician a platform to pitch his / her latest movie or political position, they are not journalists, and you shouldn't confuse Larry King (softball mush mouth) with Mike Wallace (relentless prober and critical journalist). And you shouldn't confuse either of them with the bloviating loudmouths like Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly, screaming out the talking points of the day from their favorite political party, spinning every story to favor one side in blatant disregard for the truth.

Now, Outofin, let me echo Lorikeet's question and ask how you know that the reporter is immoral, a hypocrite? Who is this reporter? What facts do you have to support your statements?

It is facts, rather than unsupported guessing, that make the difference between reporting and speculation. What are your facts?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CP wrote:
If Donald Trump's workers were living in hovels, earning less than minimum wage, while his horses ate gourmet oats and wore cashmere blankets, you can bet that a real journalist would ask Trump about it and tell the world what he said.

Well, you certainly know how to make an example to make yourself sound reasonable. I agree with you. And I will definitely support the reporter if the Dubai workers don't earn even minimum salary. But that's not the case we're talking about. According to the report I watched, the horses didn't wear cashmere blankets. Eating gourmet oats? Not mentioned by the reporter but I suppose their food must be very good. The workers were not living in hovels. Minimum wage was not mentioned neither, which I trust them in that they wouldn't miss it if the worker's salary were below it.

So in this case, a rich man's horses eat gourmet oats while his employee's earning are above minimum wage and live in a okay condition place but not in the same standard as the horse's stable, will journalists question him? I doubt it.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You doubt it, but why? If the same conditions existed in the U.S. as in Dubai, any reporter would ask the questions. And I don't doubt that in the least.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CP wrote:
You doubt it, but why? If the same conditions existed in the U.S. as in Dubai, any reporter would ask the questions. And I don't doubt that in the least.

I didn't choose my word correctly. As I said in my ealier posts, it's a fact in the whole world that poor people don't live as good as the rich's animals, which enjoy luxury housing, healthcare and food. I'm not "doubting" that no jounalists ask people like Trump the same question.

Actually I'm not very surprised that you think the same condition only exists in other countries but not in the US.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think these questions are asked quite often in the US - poverty isn't ignored, and the gap is constantly addressed (even if a complete solution hasn't been found). That's no reason not to ask these questions of Dubai though. I think the difference here is that Dubai is an international symbol of wealth and opulence - like that sail-shaped hotel, and the man-made islands covered in mansions. There's nothing hypocritical about saying 'hey, don't you think it's strange that this incredible wealth is being built by people who are living in extreme poverty?' You have to realise that an American journalist isn't necessarily representing America. A valid question is still valid no matter who is asking it.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I didn't choose my word correctly. As I said in my ealier posts, it's a fact in the whole world that poor people don't live as good as the rich's animals, which enjoy luxury housing, healthcare and food. I'm not "doubting" that no jounalists ask people like Trump the same question.

Actually I'm not very surprised that you think the same condition only exists in other countries but not in the US.

Well, you've misquoted me and backpedaled on your initial position, but you still haven't given us any reason to believe that Americans are hypocrites, as you labeled them.

You want to tell us your facts or just come back with another muddled blurb?
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