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nawee



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:25 am    Post subject: "similar" and preposition/conjunction Reply with quote

Hello,

I came cross this sentence in an error identification exercise.

Although (A)[it took a similar course toward Japan as most typhoons
that visit the nation in autumn], (B)[Typhoon No. 22 was
characteristically powerful].

It has been suggested that "as most typhoons" is incorrect. But personally, I think that "characteristically" doesn't make sense in this sentence. I think "uncharacteristically" would be more logical with "although" as the conjunction.

Can someone help please?

Many thanks in advance,

Nawee
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:17 pm    Post subject: Re: "similar" and preposition/conjunction Reply with quote

Although (A)[it took a similar course toward Japan as most typhoons
that visit the nation in autumn], (B)[Typhoon No. 22 was
characteristically powerful].

I think the mistake is that you have to say:

as most typhoons do - or - like most typhoons (do)

With "as" the auxiliary "do" is necessary but with like it is optional

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And "characteristically" makes sense in this sentence?

Although it took a similar course toward Japan as most typhoons
do, Typhoon No. 22 was characteristically powerful. Generally, typhoons lose a lot of their strength on their way to Japan, but Typhoon No. 22 maintained its power.

If so, why use the conjuction "although"?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

according to what nawee wrote:
...it took a similar course toward Japan as most typhoons do.... Generally, typhoons lose a lot of their strength on their way to Japan.

It was not normal that, having taken a similar course, this typhoon maintained its intensity. This justifies the use of "although".
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"It was not normal that, having taken a similar course, this typhoon maintained its intensity. This justifies the use of "although"."

Then why is it not: "Although it took a similar course as most typhoons do, Typhoon No. 22 is UNcharacteristcally powerful."?

Isn't Typhoon No. 22 behaving UNcharacteristically by maintaining its tensity?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nawee wrote:
Isn't Typhoon No. 22 behaving UNcharacteristically by maintaining its tensity?Nawee

Yes, you are correct. It began as a characterisitically powerful storm. The fact that it remained powerful as it approached land was not normal. For that reason it was characteristic at first but later it behaved uncharacteristically.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry if it appears I'm beating a dead horse over this. When I can't get my head around the logic, it bugs me.

If you say that Typhoon No. 22 was characteristically powerful, then it means that Typhoon No. 22 behaves characteristically for 2 reasons:

1. took a similar course as other typhoons
2. was powerful

Then why would "although" be to link these two ideas that are not in conflict with each other?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:49 am    Post subject: logic Reply with quote

The typhoon took a path toward Japan. This is normal.
The typhoon was powerful. This is normal.
When he reached Japan it was still powerful. This is not normal.

So, we can say: Although it took a similar course toward Japan as most typhoons do, Typhoon No. 22 was uncharacteristically powerful when it reached Japan.

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