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nawee
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:25 am Post subject: "similar" and preposition/conjunction |
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Hello,
I came cross this sentence in an error identification exercise.
Although (A)[it took a similar course toward Japan as most typhoons
that visit the nation in autumn], (B)[Typhoon No. 22 was
characteristically powerful].
It has been suggested that "as most typhoons" is incorrect. But personally, I think that "characteristically" doesn't make sense in this sentence. I think "uncharacteristically" would be more logical with "although" as the conjunction.
Can someone help please?
Many thanks in advance,
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myprofe

Joined: 29 Jun 2004 Posts: 425 Location: Madrid, Spain - Native Boston, USA
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: "similar" and preposition/conjunction |
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Although (A)[it took a similar course toward Japan as most typhoons
that visit the nation in autumn], (B)[Typhoon No. 22 was
characteristically powerful].
I think the mistake is that you have to say:
as most typhoons do - or - like most typhoons (do)
With "as" the auxiliary "do" is necessary but with like it is optional _________________ I'm never going to learn if you don't correct my mistakes! |
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nawee
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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And "characteristically" makes sense in this sentence?
Although it took a similar course toward Japan as most typhoons
do, Typhoon No. 22 was characteristically powerful. Generally, typhoons lose a lot of their strength on their way to Japan, but Typhoon No. 22 maintained its power.
If so, why use the conjuction "although"? |
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myprofe

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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| according to what nawee wrote: |
| ...it took a similar course toward Japan as most typhoons do.... Generally, typhoons lose a lot of their strength on their way to Japan. |
It was not normal that, having taken a similar course, this typhoon maintained its intensity. This justifies the use of "although". _________________ I'm never going to learn if you don't correct my mistakes! |
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nawee
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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"It was not normal that, having taken a similar course, this typhoon maintained its intensity. This justifies the use of "although"."
Then why is it not: "Although it took a similar course as most typhoons do, Typhoon No. 22 is UNcharacteristcally powerful."?
Isn't Typhoon No. 22 behaving UNcharacteristically by maintaining its tensity?
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myprofe

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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| nawee wrote: |
| Isn't Typhoon No. 22 behaving UNcharacteristically by maintaining its tensity?Nawee |
Yes, you are correct. It began as a characterisitically powerful storm. The fact that it remained powerful as it approached land was not normal. For that reason it was characteristic at first but later it behaved uncharacteristically. _________________ I'm never going to learn if you don't correct my mistakes! |
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nawee
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sorry if it appears I'm beating a dead horse over this. When I can't get my head around the logic, it bugs me.
If you say that Typhoon No. 22 was characteristically powerful, then it means that Typhoon No. 22 behaves characteristically for 2 reasons:
1. took a similar course as other typhoons
2. was powerful
Then why would "although" be to link these two ideas that are not in conflict with each other?
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myprofe

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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:49 am Post subject: logic |
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The typhoon took a path toward Japan. This is normal.
The typhoon was powerful. This is normal.
When he reached Japan it was still powerful. This is not normal.
So, we can say: Although it took a similar course toward Japan as most typhoons do, Typhoon No. 22 was uncharacteristically powerful when it reached Japan. _________________ I'm never going to learn if you don't correct my mistakes! |
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