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tariq
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 Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:37 pm Post subject: Phrasal Verb Vs Preposional Verb |
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Hi Friends,
I have got a problem in getting the hang of the difference between Phrasal Verb and Preposional Verb. I have refered to Dictionaries but of no use. Can you help me out in this matter?
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Bob S.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Can you give an example of one that is giving you trouble? |
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tariq
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:58 pm Post subject: sure man |
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for example:
The Firemen have put out the fire.
Is " PUT OUT" is Phr Verb or Prep Verb. I just can't understand. What are the guidelines. what is the thing that makes them different.
Oxford Advance Learners Dictionary calls it Pharasal Verb. on the other hand Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English calls it a Preposional Verb.
So tell me how can end my confusion.
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Lorikeet
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:59 am Post subject: |
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| I'm just curious. What difference does it make? We used to call them "two-word verbs" but they are all the same thing, I think. |
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tariq
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:45 am Post subject: Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Wow
we both are curious............man.... I wanted explanation......not the short cut
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Lorikeet
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:41 am Post subject: Re: Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| tariq wrote: |
Wow
we both are curious............man.... I wanted explanation......not the short cut |
It's my opinion those are just "grammar words". I don't see what "short cut" has to do with it. |
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bud
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| It's my opinion those are just "grammar words". I don't see what "short cut" has to do with it. |
Me neither.
Don't all phrasal vebs have prepositions? The vast majority do, anyway. It sounds like two differnt names for the same thing. |
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Bob S.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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Surprisingly, they are two different things. (I had to look this up.) Basically, if you can detach the preposition and put the object between the verb and preposition without changing the meaning, then it is a phrasal verb. If placing the object between the verb and preposition changes the meaning or mangles the grammar, then it is a prepositional verb.
For example:
The firemen put out the fire.
The firemen put the fire out.
Same meaning, so put out is a phrasal verb.
He looked after the dog.
He looked the dog after. (eh?)
Different meaning (the second one is bad grammar) so look after is a prepositional verb.
See:
http://www.ebroadcast.com.au/lookup/encyclopedia/co/Compound_verb.html
http://www.novalearn.com/grammar-glossary/prepositional-verb.htm |
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Lorikeet
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting. We *used* to call them separable and unseparable two-word verbs. Times change.  |
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bud
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, I would have called them separable and unseparable phrasal verbs. But it is interesting! Thanks for the info, Bob. |
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Bob S.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| You're welcome. I hope it helped Tariq. |
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