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tisogai



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:51 pm    Post subject: had been able to/ could have been Reply with quote

Would someone please help.

I am sorry that I could not be present at the meeting.

This can be rewrote "I wish I had been able to be present at the meeting."

Then, can it also be "I wish I could have been present at the meeting"???

Is that OK??

Thanks.
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Lorikeet



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are both okay, but I would prefer, "I wish I had been able to attend the meeting."
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tisogai



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks so much for the reply.

Would you please tell me why you prefer that to the other one??
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Lorikeet



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not sure why, but I think I like using one verb (attend) instead of a "be" verb and an adjective. (be present) It sounded better.
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tisogai



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks so much, but no, that's not the point I was asking.

I was asking why had been able to is chosen over could have .

That's the point I originally asked.

Thanks.
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Lorikeet



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tisogai wrote:
Thanks so much, but no, that's not the point I was asking.

I was asking why had been able to is chosen over could have .

That's the point I originally asked.

Thanks.


Oh, I am sorry I didn't understand. Your original question asked about
"I wish I had been able to be present at the meeting."

and "I wish I could have been present at the meeting"

I said they were both okay, but I preferred "I wish I had been able to attend the meeting."

I'm sorry I wasn't clear. I meant I preferred "I wish I had been able to attend the meeting." to "I wish I had been able to be present at the meeting." However, "I wish I could have been present at the meeting." is fine too. I don't have a preference between "could have been" and "had been able to" in this case.
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tisogai



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks so much again.

Just today I found out "could can't be used for something you succeeded in doing just once" in some reference book.

So it would mean it has to be "I wish I had been able to attend the meeting", but not "could have".

According to that, you can say "She could speak French when she was eight", and "I was able to reserve a table for that restaurant for tomorrow evening", but they are not interchangeble.

Is this true??
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tisogai wrote:
Thanks so much again.

Just today I found out "could can't be used for something you succeeded in doing just once" in some reference book.

So it would mean it has to be "I wish I had been able to attend the meeting", but not "could have".

According to that, you can say "She could speak French when she was eight", and "I was able to reserve a table for that restaurant for tomorrow evening", but they are not interchangeble.

Is this true??


No, it is not.

According to Collins Cobuild Lexicon:

You can also use `could' in the `that'-clause.
I wish I could mimic.
He wished he could believe her.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tisogai wrote:
Thanks so much again.

Just today I found out "could can't be used for something you succeeded in doing just once" in some reference book.

So it would mean it has to be "I wish I had been able to attend the meeting", but not "could have".

According to that, you can say "She could speak French when she was eight", and "I was able to reserve a table for that restaurant for tomorrow evening", but they are not interchangeble.

Is this true??


Maybe you are confusing the "could" that is past for "can" with other uses of "could".

"I wish I could have attended" is perfectly correct, I assure you. Notice, that I didn't succeed in doing it anyway.
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