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timdream



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:17 am    Post subject: cookie/cake/biscuit/cracker, sandwiches/hamburgers Reply with quote

Hi there Razz,

I never know the difference between cookie, cake, biscuit, and crackers. All of them are refer as "cookie" in Chinese term, but in English, all kinds or names shown on the boxes in supermarkets. Are there any differences by definition?

Same thing happens at McDonald and KFC. They don't serve "hamburgers"; they refer their food as "sandwiches" all over the menus. What's the differences between two?

Thanks!

Tim
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Bob S.



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All are basically made from bread dough with the following differences:
Cookies are sweet and unleavened (made without yeast so they remain flat). They are typically about 4 cm across to fit in the palm of your hand but can be bigger. In British English these are called biscuits.
Crackers are typically unsweetened (or very lightly sweetened) and unleavened. They are about the size of cookies.
Cakes are very sweet and leavened so they are fluffy in texture. They are often covered in a layer of sweet icing (blended butter and sugar with flavoring). They are typically made large in size (~20-30 cm across) and served by cutting into slices. You will sometimes find it made into large rectangles and served but cutting into squares.
Biscuits are unsweetened leavened bread. The surface crust is usually lighter and flakier than a dinner roll. They are typically about 5 cm in diameter.
Additionally:
Muffins are similar to biscuits except they are made from a sweet dough similar to cake but typically do not have sweet icing as cakes do.

A hamburger is a kind of sandwich made with Hamburg-style steak (cooked ground beef). Over the years, "burger" has become a catchall word for any kind of cooked meat sandwich where the meat is still warm when it is served on a bun (a sliced bread roll) (it's not uncommon to hear people refer to different kinds of sandwiches as "fish-burgers" or "chicken-burgers").
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timdream



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob S. wrote:
All are basically made from bread dough with the following differences:
Cookies are sweet and unleavened (made without yeast so they remain flat). They are typically about 4 cm across to fit in the palm of your hand but can be bigger. In British English these are called biscuits.


Wow, thanks. That's a quick and complete reply. One follow up question: You mentioned that in British English cookies are called biscuits, so does that means no one in UK/Singapore/New Zealand nobody will use the term "cookie"? Or in these countries, "cookie" means something else?

From your answer, I could tell that my confusion about cookies and biscuits are for the fact that the cookies/biscuits are imported from different countries - hence the name. Taiwan is a American English speaking country surrounding by a lot of southeast Asia countries that speaks British English.

Bob S. wrote:
A hamburger is a kind of sandwich made with Hamburg-style steak (cooked ground beef). Over the years, "burger" has become a catchall word for any kind of cooked meat sandwich where the meat is still warm when it is served on a bun (a sliced bread roll) (it's not uncommon to hear people refer to different kinds of sandwiches as "fish-burgers" or "chicken-burgers").


Ok. I'll try to rephrase to see if I understand you. What you meant was any "sandwich" that is served hot can be called as a "burger". Did I understand you correctly?

Here in Taiwan, Subway (the restaurant that sells "subs") is able to heat your sub in a microwave oven if you ask. By your definition, their "subs" (that they claimed as a kind of sandwich") is now a "burger" too, right? These collective terms drives me crazy Razz.
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Lorikeet



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The meat in a "burger" is usually a patty-shape, and is cooked first, so every sandwich cannot be a burger.

In general, I'd also say that crackers often are salty.
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Bob S.



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

timdream wrote:
One follow up question: You mentioned that in British English cookies are called biscuits, so does that means no one in UK/Singapore/New Zealand nobody will use the term "cookie"? Or in these countries, "cookie" means something else?
From your answer, I could tell that my confusion about cookies and biscuits are for the fact that the cookies/biscuits are imported from different countries - hence the name. Taiwan is a American English speaking country surrounding by a lot of southeast Asia countries that speaks British English.
Ah, Brit vs American English. I don't know what Brits think of if you mention "cookie". From what I read here, biscuits would be simple sweet crispy wafers or sugar cookies, while "cookie" would refer to an American style big ol' chocolate chip cookie.

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Bob S. wrote:
Over the years, "burger" has become a catchall word for any kind of cooked meat sandwich where the meat is still warm when it is served on a bun
What you meant was any "sandwich" that is served hot can be called as a "burger". Did I understand you correctly?
Here in Taiwan, Subway (the restaurant that sells "subs") is able to heat your sub in a microwave oven if you ask. By your definition, their "subs" (that they claimed as a kind of sandwich") is now a "burger" too, right? These collective terms drives me crazy Razz.
Doh! I was afraid of having to get too technical because of Subway and Quiznos. Okay, more clarification: like Lori said, the meat has to be in a patty (normally round, sometimes square), and served on a round (sometimes square) bun (you can use a kaiser roll but not a bagel). A ground beef patty with cheese served on grilled sliced bread is often called a "patty melt".
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