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rice07



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:58 am    Post subject: Massively or massive? Reply with quote

Hi teachers
Title:Life in computer land
Even though it is technically called a"massively multiplayer online game,"Second Life is not a competitive pursuit as much as an alternative state.
In the context above,why it serves "a massively multiplayer online game " not "a massive multiplayer online game"? I'm deeply grateful!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you use "massive," you are calling it a massive game. By using the adverb "massively," you are calling it a game that is "massively multiplayer," an inelegant way to say that a great many people can play it at the same time (I guess).
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the way, I've usually heard MMORPG

http://www.answers.com/topic/mmorpg
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rice07



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Cp
According to your explanation,"multiplayer" seems like an "adjective",so use "massively" an adverb to modify it(multiplayer).
I used to guess word "multiplayer" as a "noun" not an "adjetive",because I found it nowhere in my dictionary.Thanks a lot!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In fact they are using multiplayer as a verb. Therefore massively is correct.
The English though, is not good, but is obviously understood by those who play these games.
It would come under the heading of "Technical Jargon".
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How could multiplayer be a verb?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Asterix
I got confused with your suggesting that "multiplayer" is a verb,too.Let's take a close look at "massively multiplayer online game" again.I found it's hard for me to take "multiplayer" as a verb perhaps my poor English.Could you explain that in more detailed.
I hope I didn't cramp your style.Thanks!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, no - it's not good English, but it is a good example of how technical jargon mangles the English language.
What it means is that it is a game that can be played by a very large number of people at the same time, as CP has already noted.
Jargon is a kind of shorthand that members of this group (game developers and the gaming fraternity) use to succintly express ideas that are frequently discussed between members of the group. Some terms, in this case multiplayer, are given specialised usage. So within this group multiplayer is used as a verb.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Asterix
I can dig it . Thanks your precise analyses !
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

asterix wrote:
Well, no - it's not good English, but it is a good example of how technical jargon mangles the English language.
What it means is that it is a game that can be played by a very large number of people at the same time, as CP has already noted.
Jargon is a kind of shorthand that members of this group (game developers and the gaming fraternity) use to succintly express ideas that are frequently discussed between members of the group. Some terms, in this case multiplayer, are given specialised usage. So within this group multiplayer is used as a verb.


I'm sorry, I still don't see how "multiplayer" can be a verb. A(n) MMORPG is a "Massively Multiuser (multiplayer) Online Role-Playing Game". It looks like a noun that is used like an adjective to me. Why do you think it is a verb?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We agree that the English is flawed, but nevertheless we all seem to know what it means.
If you take the original query: massively multiplayer online game:
game = noun
online = adjective
that leaves, massively multiplayer.
massively is definitely an adverb, but what verb does it modify?
There's only one word left - multiplayer.
It's jargon.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adverbs can also modify adjectives, and that's what "multiplayer" seems to be in the sentence in question.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Teachers
In fact ,bud's oppinion is quite convincing.But there's nothing wrong for all of us to rack our brain to figure that out,isn't it?Thanks everyone!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

asterix wrote:
We agree that the English is flawed, but nevertheless we all seem to know what it means.
If you take the original query: massively multiplayer online game:
game = noun
online = adjective
that leaves, massively multiplayer.
massively is definitely an adverb, but what verb does it modify?
There's only one word left - multiplayer.
It's jargon.


Bud is right, that adverbs can modify adjectives. Take "very big" or "extremely large" for example. I think multiplayer is used as an adjective, as well as online. Take "big red book" two adjectives together. "multiplayer online game" two adjectives together. (You can have a multiplayer game, and an online game. )
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

High Five Bud! Laughing
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