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ShoHiro
Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 65 Location: Japan
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:56 am Post subject: What or How |
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Dear teachers,
A researchers argues that the sentence of (1) have two readings:
(1) They are ready-to-wear clotes.
Reading (i): they are clothes with a special brand name, label or proper name.
Reading (ii): they are clothes which are ready to wear.
They correspond to (2a) and (2b), respectively.
(2) a. Those clothes are ready-to-wear.
b. Those clothes are ready to wear.
My question is that when you ask about the italic phrase of (2a), i.e., ready-to-wear, what intterogative word do you use? what or How? Similarly, when you ask about the italic phrase of (2b), what intterogative word do you use, what or how?
I think that what is approapriate in (2a) and how is approapriate in (2b).
(3) a. What are those clothes?
b. How are those clothes?
Is that correct? |
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Bob S.

Joined: 29 Apr 2004 Posts: 1767 Location: So. Cal
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:13 pm Post subject: Re: What or How |
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| ShoHiro wrote: |
what intterogative word do you use, what or how?
I think that what is approapriate in (2a) and how is approapriate in (2b).
(3) a. What are those clothes?
b. How are those clothes?
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Yes. What refers to the type of clothes; how refers to their condition. |
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ShoHiro
Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 65 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:19 am Post subject: |
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Dear Bob,
Thank you very much for answering my question. I'm very happy.
I would like to confirm several things about this topic. What interrogative word should be used in (1) when you ask the italic words?
(1) a. My coffee is Irish. (intended meaning: My coffee is Irish coffee)
b. My coffee ishot.
c. My coffee is black.
My prediction is:
(2) a. What is your coffee?
b. How is your coffee?
c. How is your coffee?
Is that correct?
Best wishes,
ShoHiro |
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Bob S.

Joined: 29 Apr 2004 Posts: 1767 Location: So. Cal
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| ShoHiro wrote: |
(2) a. What is your coffee?
b. How is your coffee?
c. How is your coffee? |
a. Correct
b. Correct
c. Correct (though depending on the situation, you could say what, but how is fine.) |
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Lorikeet

Joined: 08 Oct 2005 Posts: 1877 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:35 am Post subject: |
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I have a lot of trouble accepting "What's your coffee?" "My coffee is Irish."
I think it would be more common to hear, "What kind of coffee is that?" "It's Irish Coffee." Maybe it's just me. |
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CP
Joined: 12 Jun 2006 Posts: 2875 Location: California
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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:00 am Post subject: |
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| Lorikeet wrote: |
I have a lot of trouble accepting "What's your coffee?" "My coffee is Irish."
I think it would be more common to hear, "What kind of coffee is that?" "It's Irish Coffee." Maybe it's just me. |
No, it's me, too. No one would say, "My coffee is Irish," but might say, "I'm drinking Irish coffee" or "This is Irish coffee."
Irish coffee is coffee with Irish whiskey in it. A couple of those and you can be a wide-awake drunk. _________________ You live a new life for every new language you speak. -Czech proverb |
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Bob S.

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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:13 am Post subject: |
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I agree it doesn't sound natural. I had to do a little mental gymnastics to think of a situation in which someone might use that sentence. (Hmmm, let's see. If a person came back to the office after making a Starbuck's run with a tray of coffees for everyone and had to divie them out to who ordered what using colloquial English... )
 _________________ "It is impossible to speak in such a way that you cannot be misunderstood." -- Karl Popper |
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ShoHiro
Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 65 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:07 am Post subject: |
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Dear Bob, Lorkeet, and CP,
Thank you very much for answering my question and giving helpful comments. I have not checked it.
I understand. I found the following sentences in the web:
(1) Whether your coffee is Irish or regular, it's sure to stay warm longer when you keep it tucked inside this colorful cozy.
Of course, this sentence is not predicational but identificational or specificational sentence. It might be possible that "My coffee is Irish" in the situation Bob suggests, although it is not a predicational sentence but an identificational sentence, according to Declerk's classification.
Anyway, your arguments are very helpful. Thank you very much!
Best wishes,
ShoHiro |
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Lorikeet

Joined: 08 Oct 2005 Posts: 1877 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, with the choice there, the sentence sounds okay. |
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ShoHiro
Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 65 Location: Japan
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 5:02 am Post subject: In what state or how |
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Dear Lorikeet,
Thank you for the comment!
Although it might be better to ask as a new topic, the question I have now is related to the argument so far, so let me ask a question in this thread.
(1) John drank his coffee hot.
If you want to ask the italic part, you can ask in at least two ways:
(2) a. How did John drink his coffee?
b. In what state was his coffee, when John drank it?
Is that correct?
How about (3), (4) and (5)?
(3) John bought those stocks / medicine over-the-counter.
a. How did John buy those stocks / medicine?
b. In what state were those stocks / medicine, when John bought thme?
(4) The salesman visited all the houses in this town door-to-door.
a. How did the salesman visit all the houses in this town?
b. In what state was the salesman, when he visited all the houses in this town?
(5) John drank his coffee Irish.
a. How did John drink his coffee?
b. In what state was his coffee, when he drank it?
Although the sentence of (5) is not acceptable, if it is, what is the result?
Sincerely,
ShoHiro |
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Lorikeet

Joined: 08 Oct 2005 Posts: 1877 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: In what state or how |
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| ShoHiro wrote: |
(1) John drank his coffee hot.
If you want to ask the italic part, you can ask in at least two ways:
(2) a. How did John drink his coffee?
b. In what state was his coffee, when John drank it?
Is that correct?
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Actually, I might ask, "How was John's coffee when he drank it?" Your sentence, while possibly technically okay, doesn't sound like anyone would ever use it.
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How about (3), (4) and (5)?
(3) John bought those stocks / medicine over-the-counter.
a. How did John buy those stocks / medicine?
b. In what state were those stocks / medicine, when John bought thme?
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I thought you were referring to a state, like California for your "b" sentence. I think we might say, "What kind of stocks did he buy?" I don't know if you would necessarily elicit the "over-the-counter" response, however. Medicine or stocks are not considered to be in an "over-the-counter" state, as far as I know.
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(4) The salesman visited all the houses in this town door-to-door.
a. How did the salesman visit all the houses in this town?
b. In what state was the salesman, when he visited all the houses in this town?
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In this case, b. makes me want to answer, "He was drunk." or "He was sober." Those are answers to "in what state was the salesman..." The first question makes more sense.
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(5) John drank his coffee Irish.
a. How did John drink his coffee?
b. In what state was his coffee, when he drank it?
Although the sentence of (5) is not acceptable, if it is, what is the result?
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As I said before, I don't like your number 5. I think asking "What kind of coffee did John drink?" might get you the answer you want. |
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ShoHiro
Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 65 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Lorikeet,
Thank you very much for answering in detail. I understand them very much. "How" can be used more broadly than I thought.
(I'm very sorry I responed to your answer late every time.)
Best wishes,
ShoHiro |
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